re: Thoughts on people who wear Che Guevara shirts

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People wear/wore shirts with his picture as a sign of rebellion and protest against the greed that is inherent in our capitalist system.

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they wore it bc they wanted to be little hipster turdnuggets and it was cool to wear a Che' shirt to voodoofest

While what you said isn't wrong 95% of the kids that wore the shirt didn't do it bc they actually stood with what Che' believed in, most of them did it as a way to "fit In" visually with the Hipster look (early to mid 2000s hipsters that is) and be trendy in that social circle

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Did you think you were going to get an argument on the merits of capitalism vs socialism? No, not from me. But don't be such a dipshit by hiding your head in the sand and ignoring the reality that Guevara lived in and fought against.

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You sure do like to make it sound like Che was part of some noble and great struggle. Please help me understand how putting an unarmed and defenseless 14 year old boy on his knees and shooting him in the back of the head fits into your narrative.

Tiger District used to sell these. I thought they were pretty funny.

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Here are some excerpts to give you a good idea who this monster really was....

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In January 1957, as his diary from the Sierra Maestra indicates, Guevara shot Eutimio Guerra because he suspected him of passing on information: “I ended the problem with a .32 caliber pistol, in the right side of his brain.... His belongings were now mine.” Later he shot Aristidio, a peasant who expressed the desire to leave whenever the rebels moved on. While he wondered whether this particular victim “was really guilty enough to deserve death,” he had no qualms about ordering the death of Echevarría, a brother of one of his comrades, because of unspecified crimes: “He had to pay the price.” At other times he would simulate executions without carrying them out, as a method of psychological torture.

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there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge. Nor did Fidel, whom I visited. I became so traumatized that at the end of May 1959 I was ordered to leave the parish of Casa Blanca, where La Cabaña was located and where I had held Mass for three years. I went to Mexico for treatment. The day I left, Che told me we had both tried to bring one another to each other’s side and had failed. His last words were: “When we take our masks off, we will be enemies.”

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In his book Che Guevara: A Biography, Daniel James writes that Che himself admitted to ordering "several thousand" executions during the first year of the Castro regime. Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban-American CIA operative who helped track him down in Bolivia and was the last person to question him, says that Che during his final talk, admitted to "a couple thousand" executions. But he shrugged them off as all being of "imperialist spies and CIA agents."

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And on top of being a murderer, he also played a big role in driving Cuba into the ground.....

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In 1960 Castro appointed Che as Cuba's "Minister of Economics." Within months the Cuban peso, a currency historically equal to the U.S. dollar and fully backed by Cuba's gold reserves, was practically worthless. The following year Castro appointed Che as Cuba's “Minister of Industries.” Within a year a nation that previously had higher per capita income than Austria and Japan, a huge influx of immigrants and the 3rd highest protein consumption in the hemisphere was rationing food, closing factories, and hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of its most productive citizens from every sector of its society, all who were grateful to leave with only the clothes on their back.

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nice shirt.

There's actually a Che Store on the interwebs:

thechestore.com

All the Che you could ever want, Tees, buttons, panties...that Che was a real poonhound, in btw shooting innocents, of course.

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He didn't even know the language of the people he was attempting to liberate.

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Wait, and Argentine couldn't speak spanish? Good for you for looking at sources.

Maybe they were speaking Aymara up in the hills...

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Good for you for actually looking at sources rather than just repeating what you hear

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Thank you. I've had an insatiable appetite for history since an early age.

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My favorite thing about Che was that Castro didn't really like him all that much and he was just a fat, hairy asthmatic when he was taken out. He didn't even know the language of the people he was attempting to liberate.

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The relationship between Castro & Che was complicated to say the least. On the one hand Castro gave Che an integral and important role to play in the revolution and multiple important offices after the revolution. But he also saw Che as a rival and a potential threat and from what I can tell did not really like him on a personal level. I think more than anything Castro saw Che as a tool for him to use when needed and put away when that need had passed.

They weren't speaking Spanish, at least not the same dialect.

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The very fact that you ask a question likes this lets me know that you know very little of the history of the times and regions in question.

Guevara was a freedom fighter. That can be spun in either direction. But the fact remains that he tried to help liberate several countries in the Americas from brutal, thug, murdering, torturing dictators set up by the US CIA and other private capitalist corporations. He tried to return rule of these countries back to the people...in the name of justice.

As I said earlier, Guevara was on the losing side and history usually isn't kind when this happens. When he died, many, many people looked to him as a hero. Later, attacks on his personality began to pop up.

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Trust me, you don't want to try and debate history with me... especially after posting tripe such as that. You question my gasp of history and yet show that you are totally immersed in left-wing ideology? Please, give me a break. Your post smacks of a feeble mind totally susceptible to whatever propaganda your leftist professors spoon feed you. Only a fool views history through such a politically slanted viewpoint as yours, be it slanted left or right. Until you prove yourself capable of independent thought, you have much to learn when it comes to history.


AS for your contention that he was a "freedom fighter" that tried to "liberate several countries" from "brutal, thug, murdering, torturing dictators" and "return rule of these countries back to the people...in the name of justice"... You sound exactly like a Nazi sympathizer trying to justify their actions in the East during WWII. But the truth is there is little to no difference between the Nazis or the Communists. This is true be it Himmler for the Nazis or Che for the Communist movement in the 50's and 60's. The end result was the same, wholesale murder on an industrial scale all in the name of political ideology. The only difference between Himmler and Che is Himmler was more organized and had better recourses that allowed him to murder on a scale Che could only dream of doing.

Che the "freedom fighter"... give me a break.