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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:25 am to Breesus
quote:I keep seeing this around here. What exactly is the underlying cause? Has that been solved? Everyone has agreed what this cause is?
Treating and discussing and legislating the symptoms rather than the underlying cause does nothing to help anyone.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:28 am to Breesus
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There isn't one.
So there isn't a solution, yet we're the only country in the world where this regularly happens...
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The guy could've taken household products, made a bomb, stuck it in a book bag, and taken out more people at an assembly. He could have driven a car into the school yard, he could've poisoned the lunches. He could have just started swinging with a hammer until someone stopped him. He could've stabbed a room full of people with a knife.
There's a million ways a lunatic can hurt people. Short of putting every kid in a secure isolated cell and cutting out all socialization there's no way to protect them from every possible occurrence.
Probably true, but why does every mass murderer first reach for guns (lots of guns) when they snap? Let's worry about the most commonly used weapon first and then deal with stopping mass poisonings with household products if those begin happening.
This "welp, there's nothing we can do!" mentality when the obvious culprit is sitting there staring you in the face is both laughable and sickening at the same time.
I'm not saying that mental health and treatment is not a part of the problem. It is, but let's come at it from every angle possible.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:29 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:34 am to Chucktown_Badger
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So there isn't a solution, yet we're the only country in the world where this regularly happens...
We're the only country in the world that has mass casualty events? Get the frick out. Really? America is the only country on planet earth that has mass domestic violence events? Wow. Welp I that's just crazy. I had no idea that there was not another country on this planet with a violence problem. Damn. I mean that nuts. If America is the only country in the world with a violence problem it would seem like we should just abandon this country, right?
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Let's worry about the most commonly used weapon first and then deal with stopping mass poisonings with household products if those begin happening.
What is your solution? A complete gun ban? No thanks.
Is your solution is to just continually ban whatever is on the top of the list? And you see no problem with that?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:38 am to Breesus
Again, look at Australia. To own an automatic rifle, you have to show legitimate reasoning as to why you should own one. You can’t just buy one because you want it. It can be argued to do the same thing for handguns too. I can more see the argument for hand guns and self defense, and reducing clip capacity could be an option too. But I do believe you shouldn’t be able to own a semi automatic rifle unless you have very good reasoning.
I don’t think we need to do what they do with hunting rifles and shotguns. I don’t see a need to have to join a hunting club.
I don’t think we need to do what they do with hunting rifles and shotguns. I don’t see a need to have to join a hunting club.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:38 am to fareplay
If you are not breaking the law how on earth is this intimidating. My GAWD do you need more safe spaces?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:40 am to Breesus
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We're the only country in the world that has mass casualty events? Get the frick out. Really? America is the only country on planet earth that has mass domestic violence events? Wow. Welp I that's just crazy. I had no idea that there was not another country on this planet with a violence problem. Damn. I mean that nuts. If America is the only country in the world with a violence problem it would seem like we should just abandon this country, right?
Now you're just being intentionally dense. We're talking specifically about mass shootings. It's not difficult to do a google search and see that the US is the runaway winner in this category. To argue otherwise is just displaying an insane level of stupidity.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:44 am to Indfanfromcol
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Again, look at Australia. To own an automatic rifle, you have to show legitimate reasoning as to why you should own one. You can’t just buy one because you want it. It can be argued to do the same thing for handguns too. I can more see the argument for hand guns and self defense, and reducing clip capacity could be an option too. But I do believe you shouldn’t be able to own a semi automatic rifle unless you have very good reasoning.
I don’t think we need to do what they do with hunting rifles and shotguns. I don’t see a need to have to join a hunting club.
See, this is the kind of stuff that at least a) acknowledges there's a problem, b) says "hey, other countries seem to have measures in place that make a difference", and c) asks if there is a way to implement those measures here.
I would never advocate for banning all weapons. I would question the need for normal citizens to be able to buy high powered high capacity magazine guns. Perhaps those are reserved for shooting ranges. Perhaps we say, what types of guns are needed for sport, hunting, and home protection and keep those accessible but limit the rest? How about we ban secondary market modifications that allow for a gun to be converted to fully automatic?
How about a lot of things, but many aren't willing to have that conversation for whatever reason (I know a few of them, but those have been discussed).
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:44 am to TDsngumbo
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Demand from government a LAW that requires multiple armed police in each school
My entire high school had around 200 kids in it...this seems feasible
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:45 am to Breesus
I also disagree that bombs would be as easy and lethal. Stabbing would definitely not be as deadly.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:46 am to Chucktown_Badger
It was from a reddit post the other day, but I believe people who don’t have legitimate reasons can own the guns, but they have to be stored and kept at ranges. They can never be taken from the gun range. I’m not 100% positive on that though.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:47 am to RATeamWannabe
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RATeamWannabe
You'd open carry, just to be that guy.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:47 am to Indfanfromcol
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But I do believe you shouldn’t be able to own a semi automatic rifle unless you have very good reasoning.
Ok, my very good reason is to defend myself against the guy who isnt going to turn his in or the guy who buys one from the streets.
Sweet, now I have my AR-15 back.
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You'd open carry, just to be that guy. Roll Tide.
FIFY
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:48 am to fareplay
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School should not be an intimidating place to be
Yeah it fricking should, these kids need to have some bit of pressure in their developing lives...if parents and "shrinks" can't hold people accountable, they shouldn't be able to take others down with them...
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:48 am to RATeamWannabe
Self defense isn’t a good reason for owning a semi automatic rifle. That was just a dumb argument all together.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:49 am to brucevilanch
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You'd open carry, just to be that guy.
Alaska a large percentage of the population does
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:49 am to Indfanfromcol
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Again, look at Australia
An island with a mostly homogeneous population that's about 2/3ds the size of California?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:50 am to Indfanfromcol
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Self defense isn’t a good reason for owning a semi automatic rifle. That was just a dumb argument all together.
Solid troll post there guy.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:50 am to Indfanfromcol
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Self defense isn’t a good reason for owning a semi automatic rifle. That was just a dumb argument all together.
No it's not...there are scores of home defenses annually with a semi auto rifle...
You want to deprive people that right?
Move to Australia
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:53 am to Winkface
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I also disagree that bombs would be as easy and lethal. Stabbing would definitely not be as deadly.
That's the thing. It's a strawman argument.
If bombs/stabbing/household products were as easy or deadly, they'd be doing that. But they're not. Why? Because guns are easy to access and more effective for what they want to accomplish.
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