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re: There should be little sympathy for college graduates struggling to earn a livable wage
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:45 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:45 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don't disagree with you in general, but it's not as widespread as you describe. There are still talented and well-rounded graduates coming out of our schools.
The numbers are increasing at an alarming rate. Professors are sounding off about the state of the current student, and it is certainly becoming a problem.
And something to consider: our perspectives are often limited to our sheltered experiences. State schools, high ranking schools - these will be a bit more insulated from some of the issues plaguing society because their tuition costs and admissions requirements are enough to maintain some integrity in their student body. It's the smaller schools, the directional schools, the ones that are now numerous across the country that are experiencing many of these problems. Although, it's still a growing problem even at state schools.
Jacksonville State for example requires a minimum GPA of 2.0 and zero test scores for admissions. It's $12k/year for tuition and fees to attend Jacksonville State.
Valdosta State requires students with less than a 3.1 gpa to have at least a 17 on the ACT to be admitted. A whopping 17. It's $7k/year for tuition and fees, and that feels like a good deal (it's not).
These are not college-material students and they're failing to even try at participating in higher education.
My point in this thread isn't to criticize the bloated college system or the housing prices or the job market. It's to point blame at these people who aren't producing. Instead of saying, "We're sorry about ___," we need to say, "If you're not producing anything of value, then you are going to struggle." We shouldn't have sympathy for them.
EDIT - Also, it's not a broad overgeneralization when the first link is literally from a research study and the others are from professors working in higher education.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 10:46 am
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:51 am to StringedInstruments
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Jacksonville State for example requires a minimum GPA of 2.0 and zero test scores for admissions. It's $12k/year for tuition and fees to attend Jacksonville State.
Valdosta State requires students with less than a 3.1 gpa to have at least a 17 on the ACT to be admitted. A whopping 17. It's $7k/year for tuition and fees, and that feels like a good deal (it's not).
These are not college-material students and they're failing to even try at participating in higher education.
These type students were not going to making a "college level income" in any era, regardless of social media or technology.
These schools, the HBCUs and other similar colleges, are just credential mills. They are producing people with diplomas so they can join the cubicle army of drones working in government and non-profits.
The idiot woman you see working at the DMV? She probably has a degree from Southern. Many such cases.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:54 am to StringedInstruments
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EDIT - Also, it's not a broad overgeneralization when the first link is literally from a research study and the others are from professors working in higher education.
Many of the types of students you reference don't need to be in college and wouldn't have been in past eras. The students that do need to be in college and would have been in college in past eras are mostly doing fine.
This is more of a quantity issue, than it is a quality issue.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:01 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I was sold by Gen Xer's to go get my degree, to get ahead in life. The same information that you tell your kids to do.
I slung asphalt to pay for my degree, my degree which is in Business.
I've been applying in multiple states and CANNOT get hired. Why is that?
Where did I go wrong? I am now over-educated for Mcdonalds, yet can't find entry level work for any business-related jobs.
I slung asphalt to pay for my degree, my degree which is in Business.
I've been applying in multiple states and CANNOT get hired. Why is that?
Where did I go wrong? I am now over-educated for Mcdonalds, yet can't find entry level work for any business-related jobs.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:14 am to swamptiger99
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Why is that?
DDA, USNH, and DeVry IT degrees are not acknowledged as being legit degrees
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:16 am to swamptiger99
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my degree which is in Business.
I've been applying in multiple states and CANNOT get hired. Why is that?
Where did you get your degree? What types of jobs are you applying for?
A degree is not magic. There is still a person there that must interview, communicate, etc.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:17 am to 777Tiger
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DDA, USNH, and DeVry IT degrees are not acknowledged as being legit degrees
You think I went to those schools?
I'm on a message board called TigerDroppings, what college you think I went too?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:17 am to Mushroom1968
quote:These are always the dumbest threads with the dumbest human beings possible
My biggest laugh is young people say, "Unless we want to live in ghettos or rural, we can't afford a house." When 30 years ago, after HS, all of the people I knew and myself lived in the ghettos or out in the country to afford a house. Wife and I were damn near 30 before we moved to a "decent" area.
It is a fact the average cost of housing is higher relative than the average salary than ever before
Your feelings don’t matter. It’s simply a fact. The rest of the thread is a simple waste of time where people argue anecdotal stories and emotional feelings.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:19 am to swamptiger99
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I'm on a message board called TigerDroppings, what college you think I went too?
Grambling?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:25 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Where did you get your degree? What types of jobs are you applying for?
my username is swamptiger, I'm on a message board called TigerDroppings, what college do you think I went too? Of course it's Southern University!
No, I went and graduated from LSU.
As for what jobs? Any and everything that I can apply too. I'm applying to 400+ jobs a month.
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There is still a person there that must interview, communicate, etc.
There is a statistic that LSU put out recently. It's like 3 out of 4 recent graduates have not found a job yet. This is what we are dealing with
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:30 am to lsupride87
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Your feelings don’t matter. It’s simply a fact. The rest of the thread is a simple waste of time where people argue anecdotal stories and emotional feelings.
My feelings do matter because that’s what most of us did. None of us lived in nice homes or even middle class homes. I didn’t say 100% of the population did at our ages, I clearly said, me and my friends, most people I knew, lived in shitty areas
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:31 am to swamptiger99
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what college do you think I went too?
There are people on this board from hundreds of schools across the country. Many LSU fans actually went to other schools. It's not the obvious fact you make it out to be.
I think I have found your problem.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:31 am to swamptiger99
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No, I went and graduated from LSU.
I was joking previously but the degree itself isn't the magic bullet, you have to bring something to the table as well, especially if you've been in the work force a while, there's a black dude that works in my daughter's office that applies for all of these jobs within the company that require a degree and he keeps getting turned down, he's been working on some online degree and walks around telling everyone that they'll have to hire him when he gets the degree, she tells him that the degree just makes him meet the requirements for applying for the position, he's a bit of a dolt and would only be hired because he's black although she didn't share that with him
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:31 am to Mushroom1968
quote:And kids today starting out factually have it worse than you based on their wages compared to home prices
My feelings do matter because that’s what most of us did. None of us lived in nice homes or even middle class homes. I didn’t say 100% of the population did at our ages, I clearly said, me and my friends, most people I knew, lived in shitty areas
It’s just a fact. It’s doesn’t mean you or anyone else in the past didn’t have it rough, it just means it’s worse now.
Not an opinion
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:32 am to Mushroom1968
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My biggest laugh is young people say, "Unless we want to live in ghettos or rural, we can't afford a house." When 30 years ago, after HS, all of the people I knew and myself lived in the ghettos or out in the country to afford a house. Wife and I were damn near 30 before we moved to a "decent" area.
I don't know, man. Wages aren't increasing with the stupid costs. When we hire people in 2024, it's similar to what I earned when I entered the workforce in 1998.
30 years ago, I moved to the area we live now. I rented an apartment for like $600 bucks/month and shared it with a friend.
The same apartment complex (just different name) now rents that SAME apartment for over $2,000 per month. That's a shitty, old, complex. Newer units are even more expensive.
I moved away, and moved back here about 16 years ago.
The exact house we first lived in was $250,000 is now $750,000
We paid $350k for our current house, and it's "worth" a million. We have had multiple neighbors cash in for as much as $1.2 million bucks.
I used to think offering my kids a place to stay after they were adults was crazy, but at this pace I'd rather retrofit the basement and let them build savings if needed.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:39 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Thank you for blaming me. I'm the problem.
I should've just been born earlier in life. When I could just walk into any office and with a firm handshake, just get a job.
When was the last time you looked for a job? Is your resume getting through the AI filters? The world is a different place and if you can't see the generation that you raised not getting the same, if not more opportunities than you, you are the problem.
I should've just been born earlier in life. When I could just walk into any office and with a firm handshake, just get a job.
When was the last time you looked for a job? Is your resume getting through the AI filters? The world is a different place and if you can't see the generation that you raised not getting the same, if not more opportunities than you, you are the problem.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:40 am to StringedInstruments
Professors and teachers may be raising the alarm but they are a huge part of what caused the problem. When I went to school in the 90’s every grade had a couple of guys who had flunked 2-3 times. Schools refused to just pass everybody. And you needed English 1,2,3,4 to graduate high school so if you couldn’t or wouldn’t read books you would not pass. Summer school was still a thing.
They make it way too easy on students now. I have a nephew who is a senior with great grades at a highly ranked public school. When I looked at some of his assignments I was shocked at how low the expectations are these days. Who would have ever thought that having little to no repercussions for kids ages 5-22 would lead to future problems.
They make it way too easy on students now. I have a nephew who is a senior with great grades at a highly ranked public school. When I looked at some of his assignments I was shocked at how low the expectations are these days. Who would have ever thought that having little to no repercussions for kids ages 5-22 would lead to future problems.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:40 am to StringedInstruments
Don't worry, the Communist government will take care of you.
Cuba, Venezuela, now Brazil. We are soon to be.
Cuba, Venezuela, now Brazil. We are soon to be.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:42 am to swamptiger99
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I'm the problem.
judging from your posts it seems likely that you are
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:43 am to swamptiger99
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When was the last time you looked for a job?
I haven't applied for a job in my life, other than a part time job in high school. And if I left my current job, I wouldn't have to apply for one today either.
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