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re: The wife and I made a difficult decision this weekend
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:14 am to Ex-Popcorn
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:14 am to Ex-Popcorn
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You are missing the point.
You miss my point.
If you give me a car, I will drive it.
If I pay for a car, I will drive it and maintain it.
If you give me a home, I will live in it.
If I buy a home, I will live in it and maintain it.
If you give me a diploma, I will take it.
If I pay my way through school, I will select my classes that put me to my goal in the most efficient way possible. Maymesters. Summer classes. The point of college is to get a degree, go out, and to make a better living. The child's perspective of a parent paying for college is a free ride (they can grow up later). The child's perspective of paying for his/her own college is to make a better living now.
You can debate the merits of paying for college allowing your student to study more and get better grades. And that is a great argument. But your child has to take advantage of that time. It takes effort to be better than you are today. And if your child accomplishes that, then good on the two of you. That's great.
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:17 am to meansonny
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Employers know the 80/20 rule that 80% of college graduates are still unprepared for success right out of college.
That's not even a valid application of the Pareto principle.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:18 am to LouisianaLady
quote:As the father of a daughter, I find this rather insulting, and an outdated take. As of 2015, females make up over 1/4 of all engineering students, and that trend holds firm through masters and doctorate programs as well. As for female doctors:
I realize you may want your daughter to be a doctor or engineer, but there aren't a whole ton of them (female) out there so the chances of yours doing it are fairly low.
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For the first time, the number of women enrolling in U.S. medical schools has exceeded the number of men, according to new data released today by the AAMC (Association of American Medical Colleges).
Females represented 50.7% of the 21,338 matriculants (new enrollees) in 2017, compared with 49.8% in 2016. Female matriculants increased by 3.2% this year, while male matriculants declined by 0.3%. Since 2015, the number of female matriculants has grown by 9.6%, while the number of male matriculants has declined by 2.3%.
It seems your parents may not have expected much of you because of your gender, and that's a shame. My wife's mother did the same to her, which is why my wife ended up going back to school to get a second degree when she realized she could be much more than her mom thought. But hopefully if you ever have any children you don't fall into that same trap.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:19 am to LouisianaLady
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Yep. A lot of you OT hard asses should take a peek at the numbers if you have daughters especially. I realize you may want your daughter to be a doctor or engineer, but there aren't a whole ton of them (female) out there so the chances of yours doing it are fairly low.
Females in STEM careers are increasing, they were never encouraged to pursue that route. Now they are being encouraged to pursue it. If your daughter excels in those subjects, it would be a shame not to push her that direction and should would have an easier time getting jobs as companies want to make that hire.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Well, many kids are smart enough to live with parents, relatives or have roommates. With any ntelligence, scholarship assistance too.
Yes, all of that can be done to mitigate the costs. Excellent points. However, not everyone has parents who live within commuting distance to Mystate U, and scholarship opportunities are (by nature) limited.
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Kids work summers up here for their tuition money. The average cost of in State tuition is less than 10k.
That's a nice narrative, and one they probably tell themselves. But I don't think it is possible to pay for tuition by working a summer job at a resort anymore. More likely, they are simply paying for their own summer up there because their parents won't pay for it.
And just for the record, I'm not combatting the idea that hard work is good or that kids should play an active role in helping to pay for their education. I am simply pushing back on the myth that it is possible, for the average student, to work your way through school. The cost of college has risen too much for that to be true anymore. Sure, it may be true in some circumstances. But for the typical student, it is no longer possible.
Not only that, but working that much could actually be detrimental to your success in college, as another poster (correctly) argued.
BTW -- I say this as someone who mitigated costs at every stage. I graduated from high school early and got a scholarship. I spent that scholarship getting basic credits out of the way at my local community college while I lived at home. I entered MyState U as a second-semester sophomore. I worked a part-time job during the semesters and full-time jobs during the summers. I later went to graduate school which was completely on scholarship.
None of that was enough to cover the true cost of college.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:21 am to Dam Guide
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This is idiotic. Lots of people working their way through 4 year degrees and grad school.
Wrong.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:21 am to TxTiger82
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None of that was enough to cover the true cost of college.
You can take out loans to cover the rest. Are you just ignoring that part of it?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:25 am to LNCHBOX
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You can take out loans to cover the rest. Are you just ignoring that part of it?
Yes, that is a critical part of my point. The average student doesn't work their way through college anymore, they borrow their way through college.
This point, of course, has implications for the calculus that parent's make about their responsibility and role in paying for college. If you don't help out, your kid will (most likely) end up in debt after college, which will severely curtail their lifetime savings potential. You are essentially cutting the top off of their wealth curve. As a parent, that would bother me.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:26 am to Dam Guide
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This is idiotic. Lots of people working their way through 4 year degrees and grad school.
Ill bet the vast majority of them pay their way with partial loans.
To argue that the average job available to a college student will cover tuition and living expenses is just moronic.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:26 am to TxTiger82
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Wrong
Tennessee has free 2 years of college for everyone in the state without a degree. You could take a transfer path and get you first two years out of the way. You could then take your transfer to a place like the University of Tennessee Chattanooga which offers lower tuition rates than going to UTK and finish up the last two years using the lottery scholarship process to mitigate costs. If you are low income that also qualifies you for additional funding.
It highly possible and you are still an idiot. Hell the amount of older adult students doing this process right now in Chattanooga State and UTC pretty much proves this...
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:26 am to TxTiger82
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Yes, that is a critical part of my point. The average student doesn't work their way through college anymore, they borrow their way through college.
I'm not sure I could think of anyone I knew while in college that didn't work.
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which will severely curtail their lifetime savings potential
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:27 am to TxTiger82
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That's a nice narrative, and one they probably tell themselves. But I don't think it is possible to pay for tuition by working a summer job at a resort anymore.
Wrong. It's far more common than you think.
Some young people still have initiative, I know this must shock you.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Wrong. It's far more common than you think.
Some young people still have initiative, I know this must shock you.
And you know this how? Sorry, Roger, but just because they told you a nice story doesn't mean it is true.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:29 am to Dam Guide
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Tennessee has free 2 years of college
Not everyone lives in Tennessee, the majority of states do not offer free college tuition.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:29 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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Ill bet the vast majority of them pay their way with partial loans.
To argue that the average job available to a college student will cover tuition and living expenses is just moronic.
Thank you! Someone gets it.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:31 am to TxTiger82
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And you know this how?
My kids, friends kids, hundreds of kids who worked for me.
And you know it's impossible, how?
I hate to tell you chief, some kids are just a bit more strong willed and self reliant than yourself
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:31 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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Not everyone lives in Tennessee, the majority of states do not offer free college tuition.
My job isn’t to prove it in every state, my job is to show it is possible and it is possible.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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And you know it's impossible, how?
Basic math.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:32 am to PrivatePublic
Enjoy sitting in a shitty diaper when youre 80 cuz they dont make enough digging ditches to support your arse.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:33 am to TxTiger82
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Not only that, but working that much could actually be detrimental to your success in college, as another poster (correctly) argued.
So is playing beer pong, sleeping half the day, or whatever kids today do with all the spare time they have if they don't have to work, don't try to tell me they are studying, I am a college graduate.
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