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The Unintended Consequences of Trying to Fix Stuff (Minority and Female Flight)
Posted on 10/13/15 at 4:02 am
Posted on 10/13/15 at 4:02 am
CLIFFS: If you try to make a place more diverse by publicizing how horrible it is but you're going to make it better. It will have the opposite of the desired effect as demonstrated by recent statistics and reports.
Minor though sparked by lack of sleep as a result of manic episode brought on by pain meds.
For years, there's been a concerted effort to attract women and minorities into STEM fields. Beginning in 2001, scholarships were offered, diversity training regimens were put in place, ad campaigns citing how much "better" everything was now, etc.
Remember how they crucified this guy in the name of a "safe work place"?
The net result has not been what they expected. There is a lower participation rate among women and non-asian minorities now than there was in 2001, and that number is expected to drop significantly as older workers retire and are not replaced by young women.
I think that in their efforts to make what was already a merit-based group of industry and fields (either you can do the work or you can't; we respect competence not tits), they made it seem like the ninth circle of hell for women and minorities. They engaged in their own negative PR campaign.
The same can be seen in the Gaming Development Industry.
Will we see the same result in female enrollment numbers in colleges and universities since the perception now is that they are essentially joining a joyless harem wherein they await their turns to get raped and groped?
Wouldn't surprise me.
We also see this in various neighborhoods around the country after efforts are made to become "more diverse". These places become less diverse because minorities are scared off from moving there feeling they won't be accepted.
What is worse is that to even say "Nope, we (or they) don't have a diversity problem," is not only not accepted but considered the worst kind of blasphemy. A NYT writer was either fired or reprimanded for saying just that about Silicon Valley recently.
Those that worship at the altar of diversity for diversity sake are a weird bunch. They believe if they get the magic formula just right, miracles happen, and don't you dare try to disabuse them of that notion.
But it seems that the way they are trying to go about it is having the opposite effect. Why would anyone want to join a company where they people that are supposed to have their best interests at heart have been telling them for years, "You won't be happy. It's hostile to people of your gender/color/sexual persuasion"
It's funny to watch people like this struggle with what most normal people can see as obvious, but I do feel bad for all these kids who might choose to go into another field rather than their dream job because of this negative bullshite.
Minor though sparked by lack of sleep as a result of manic episode brought on by pain meds.
For years, there's been a concerted effort to attract women and minorities into STEM fields. Beginning in 2001, scholarships were offered, diversity training regimens were put in place, ad campaigns citing how much "better" everything was now, etc.
Remember how they crucified this guy in the name of a "safe work place"?
The net result has not been what they expected. There is a lower participation rate among women and non-asian minorities now than there was in 2001, and that number is expected to drop significantly as older workers retire and are not replaced by young women.
I think that in their efforts to make what was already a merit-based group of industry and fields (either you can do the work or you can't; we respect competence not tits), they made it seem like the ninth circle of hell for women and minorities. They engaged in their own negative PR campaign.
The same can be seen in the Gaming Development Industry.
Will we see the same result in female enrollment numbers in colleges and universities since the perception now is that they are essentially joining a joyless harem wherein they await their turns to get raped and groped?
Wouldn't surprise me.
We also see this in various neighborhoods around the country after efforts are made to become "more diverse". These places become less diverse because minorities are scared off from moving there feeling they won't be accepted.
What is worse is that to even say "Nope, we (or they) don't have a diversity problem," is not only not accepted but considered the worst kind of blasphemy. A NYT writer was either fired or reprimanded for saying just that about Silicon Valley recently.
Those that worship at the altar of diversity for diversity sake are a weird bunch. They believe if they get the magic formula just right, miracles happen, and don't you dare try to disabuse them of that notion.
But it seems that the way they are trying to go about it is having the opposite effect. Why would anyone want to join a company where they people that are supposed to have their best interests at heart have been telling them for years, "You won't be happy. It's hostile to people of your gender/color/sexual persuasion"
It's funny to watch people like this struggle with what most normal people can see as obvious, but I do feel bad for all these kids who might choose to go into another field rather than their dream job because of this negative bullshite.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 4:16 am
Posted on 10/13/15 at 4:11 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Include more pics or cliffnotes please.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 4:35 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Women should be in the home raising our children or in a job that requires empathy and gentleness as a criteria.
That's how it was in the glory years of our nation, the 1950s for example, when children didn't have to think twice that they were going to have a better life than their parents had.
Thst progress is currently either stalled or receding, and I believe some of it is due to socially engineering basic gender roles that evolved over thousands of years.
I am not a fan of the current gender paradigm. We need to base our gender practices on order, well-defined boundaries, and traditional ideas that are the result of thousands of years of trial and error.
This nonsense of letting feminazi mysticism and abstraction take precedence over our actual experiences as a species must end now.
That's how it was in the glory years of our nation, the 1950s for example, when children didn't have to think twice that they were going to have a better life than their parents had.
Thst progress is currently either stalled or receding, and I believe some of it is due to socially engineering basic gender roles that evolved over thousands of years.
I am not a fan of the current gender paradigm. We need to base our gender practices on order, well-defined boundaries, and traditional ideas that are the result of thousands of years of trial and error.
This nonsense of letting feminazi mysticism and abstraction take precedence over our actual experiences as a species must end now.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 4:40 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Lashaniqua didn't give you a hand job in the break room so you came here to vent about it.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 4:42 am to knight_ryder
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Lashaniqua didn't give you a hand job in the break room so you came here to vent about it.
You seen that hos nails? Like goddamn eagle talons. I ain't got the dick calluses for that bit of rough trade. I moisturized. That's what the white womens like.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 5:39 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Didn't read OP needs a hobby
Posted on 10/13/15 at 5:42 am to PurpleandGold Motown
As soon as I read "cliffs" I declined to read but, frick it, I'm still commenting.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 6:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I mean I guess I see where you're coming from. I do think the family unit for most would be stronger with the wife staying home. But, I also know that's not fair to her. I'd love for my wife to give up on her career after getting a masters degree to stay home with the kids and make dinner. It would make it easier for us to move if a promotion came up, etc.. But that's not fair to her. She has as much right to a career as I do.
As far as diversity in general, it's a good thing in the sense of including the broadest set of ideas and not discriminating against one segment of society leaving them to stew in their own filth creating get an even larger problem for society as a whole. But you can't really force it the way we try. I can see how it would push minorities away as the OP described. But I think even more probable, is that minorities can become looked down upon because the assumption that they were given the position not on merit, but in the name of diversity. So even when a minority deserves the job, they are unfairly judged.
As far as diversity in general, it's a good thing in the sense of including the broadest set of ideas and not discriminating against one segment of society leaving them to stew in their own filth creating get an even larger problem for society as a whole. But you can't really force it the way we try. I can see how it would push minorities away as the OP described. But I think even more probable, is that minorities can become looked down upon because the assumption that they were given the position not on merit, but in the name of diversity. So even when a minority deserves the job, they are unfairly judged.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 7:44 am to KG6
I have worked with a female engineer. I met her right after she graduated and came to work. We have been friends for years.
She is the type that will tell you exactly what's on her mind. She said before she left school she was talking to her fellow female engineering graduates about going out into the workforce. She said they basically all said they were expecting to be married by the time they left college and really wanted to raise children. (this is just what I was told).
I think as a society, there has been an expectation placed on women that they must be a mother/career woman/fitness guru and all of the above. Even if a woman just wanted to be a Mom, she would still feel outside pressure to achieve and be something more.
My wife is a stay at home mom. She loves it and does a great job managing our house and raising our child. She wants to go back to school to get a masters degree. I asked why. She said "so I can say I did it". She still feels pressure to do something other than raise a child and manage a home.
What I'm saying is that a lot of women that have careers might choose something different if given the opportunity. All of the women in my family have been stay at home Moms mostly so I might be a bit biased.
So just as your wife "deserves" a career, she also "deserves" to know it's OK to raise your children without being thought of as "less".
Posted on 10/13/15 at 7:47 am to PurpleandGold Motown
walls of text with no pics :/
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