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re: The Tesla Model Y was the best selling vehicle overall in California in June
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:41 am to Death Before Disco
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:41 am to Death Before Disco
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Fully EV cars are worse for the environment over their lifetime than old-fashioned ICEs.
Got anything to back that up? Legit curious since everything I’ve seen has breakeven environmental impact anywhere from 30-70k miles depending on the model and grid generation input mix.
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:41 am to Powerman
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But it's not necessarily a failure due to more people driving EVs
Yes, adding more pressure to the electric grid obviously wouldn't affect the electrical grid.
The dots aren't hard to connect here, people.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:41 am to imjustafatkid
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Anti-EV cult? Nah, just anti-stupid. Adding a bunch of electric vehicles to a state that already can't keep the lights on is stupid.
Not if they get ahead of the electricity infrastructure in an adequate manner
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:42 am to Powerman
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Not if they get ahead of the electricity infrastructure in an adequate manner
Which, of course, they won't.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:43 am to Korkstand
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Great. Surely this won't cause any problems for California electrical grid.
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It won't. Feel free to bookmark and check back in however many months or years you want.
Ummmm…..
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California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
CALIFORNIA (WTVO) — With California’s power grid under strain due to extreme heat and high demand, the utility grid operator is asking residents to avoid charging their electric vehicles. This comes days after the state announced a plan to ban the sale of gas-powered cars by 2035.
The California Independent System Operator is asking residents for “voluntary energy conservation” over the Labor Day weekend.
The top three conservation actions are to set thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoid using large appliances and charging electric vehicles, and turn off unnecessary lights,” the American Public Power Association said, asking residents to limit energy usage during 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.
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Growing demand for electricity and the fickle nature, for now, of greener technologies such as wind and solar are making it hard to progress toward the state-mandated goal of a grid that’s 100 percent emissions-free by 2045. Renewables provided 36 percent of the state’s power supply on average so far this year. Those constraints were behind the recent decision by the Legislature, at Newsom’s urging, to postpone the retirement of the Diablo Canyon nuclear plant despite the fact that activists thought they’d secured its closure — and the governor himself once supported the idea.
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I'll be around to eat crow if necessary. You should be, too.
Need ketchup?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:46 am to imjustafatkid
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Having rolling blackouts at all is a failure, moron.
Excluding supply shortages due to natural disasters like wildfires, California does far better in this regard than you'd like to believe.
There is a whole lot of feelings driving this narrative that California is not capable of doing the math.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:46 am to Powerman
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Not if they get ahead of the electricity infrastructure in an adequate manner
Which they are not close to doing. What they want powering the entire state in 10-15 years currently generates about 35% of the state’s power.
What they want gone immediately generates 60-70 percent of it. The (so far) merely acceptable methods power the rest.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:47 am to HondaBigRed
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This shite makes me laugh at the naivete that some people have. You think they just make more electricity and more transmission lines instantaneously? When the California power grid is already having rolling blackouts, do you think it's not already at full capacity? Also, do you actually think the government will permit more power plants to be built? No, let's cover every square inch that isn't an open pit lithium mine in solar panels.
It's the liberal way of thinking. Same goes for money with them, just print more of it, what could go wrong.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:48 am to imjustafatkid
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I'm always in Orange County when I'm there. It wasn't under $6 anywhere.
Well, that's a lie. I'm in OC all the time.
You do know that there are websites that will list the current prices of gas for any area...
Did you want continue to embarrass yourself, or do you want me to do it for you?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:48 am to brgfather129
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Well, that's a lie. I'm in OC all the time.
You do know that there are websites that will list the current prices of gas for any area...
Did you want continue to embarrass yourself, or do you want me to do it for you?
I'm just telling you what I saw. I'm not lying.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:49 am to imjustafatkid
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Anti-EV cult? Nah, just anti-stupid. Adding a bunch of electric vehicles to a state that already can't keep the lights on is stupid.
What are your thoughts on how things change with that much storage hooked up and some running on demand response or VPP programs?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:50 am to imjustafatkid
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Which, of course, they won't.
Which means it's not the fault of the EVs, but rather poor planning by the people in charge of their grid
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:50 am to billjamin
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What are your thoughts on how things change with that much storage hooked up and some running on demand response or VPP programs?
I have no thoughts on this, and I don't need to. All I know is California has blackouts nearly every year, and this will not help that problem. It's pretty simple really. You don't need to know the technical aspects of the problem to see what is clearly happening.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:51 am to Powerman
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Which means it's not the fault of the EVs, but rather poor planning by the people in charge of their grid
No, it's both. The hubris of Californians absolutely contributes significantly to this problem.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:53 am to imjustafatkid
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I have no thoughts on this, and I don't need to. All I know is California has blackouts nearly every year, and this will not help that problem. It's pretty simple really. You don't need to know the technical aspects of the problem to see what is clearly happening.
I’d recommend looking into it and trying to think outside the box of EVs being only a source of load creation. It’s a giant battery that can go both ways and that much storage is going to change our grid for the better.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:54 am to billjamin
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It’s a giant battery that can go both ways and that much storage is going to change our grid for the better.
Like everything the "green energy" crowd predicts, this will be clearly wrong within a handful of years and people will pretend they never said it.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:55 am to billjamin
quote:Your usual EV vs ICE comparisons are done (and funded) by pro EV groups and they tend to fudge the details. They will omit the the environmental impact of the more advanced batteries EVs use, or ignore the impact of the fact that EVs are typically powered by coal in a lot of places. They will also include estimates of recycling and other advancements that they expect to happen in the future rather than use actual numbers using today’s technology.
Got anything to back that up? Legit curious since everything I’ve seen has breakeven environmental impact anywhere from 30-70k miles depending on the model and grid generation input mix.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:56 am to billjamin
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Got anything to back that up?
Only the reality of what it takes to mine the metals used for batteries. Strip mining, toxic wastewater, Lithium fields, etc.
The environmentalists used to scream about this stuff. Now, all of the sudden, it’s more or less accepted.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:59 am to Powerman
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Which means it's not the fault of the EVs, but rather poor planning by the people in charge of their grid
Poor planning? No. It’s letting the activists run the power generation that’s the problem.
It’s kind of funny. Ole backwards Mississippi seems to have plenty of power generation. Progressive and intelligent California?? Not so much.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:59 am to CleverUserName
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With California’s power grid under strain due to extreme heat and high demand
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asking residents to limit energy usage during 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.
Yes, peak consumption hours. The vast majority of EV charging happens after midnight. During those peak consumption hours, the energy stored in those batteries can ease the grid load.
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Need ketchup?
Ummmm got anything from the present or future to show how the added EVs in question have caused problems? They've been on the grid for a couple months.
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