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re: The state sanctioned mafia known as River Pilots are shaking down the chemical industry

Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39942 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:43 pm to
quote:


What do houston ship channel pilots get paid?


The port is still pretty unioned up and god only knows how crooked given the amount of drugs come into the city. Quick google tell me habit pilots make around 400k
Posted by YoungManOldMan
Member since Dec 2017
1882 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:44 pm to
I steer the ships. I be a captain, pappy.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Pediatricians without specialization don't make 475k a year. 


Yall's heyday is done. The OT is fed up and we are gonna change shite TO-DAY!


If anything, people should be excited these pilots are demanding more $$ from the chemical corps that are posting tens of billions in profit per year.

Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53803 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

BUT you JUST SAID experience doesn't make them better.

LOL. This stuff is funny.
the more experience you have, the more you've proved you're NOT the best at what you do
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72012 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:48 pm to
quote:


If anything, people should be excited these pilots are demanding more $$ from the chemical corps that are posting tens of billions in profit per year.



why?

also, you don't really believe 93% of applicants over 10 years were related....I know you don't....
Posted by AA77
Member since Jan 2016
3833 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:48 pm to
Here are there three biggest PACs:

CRPPA PAC

LARPA PAC

SEA PAC

Doesn't include any personal donations that individual contributions that individual pilots. family members or companies may make to campaigns.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Altogether, of the 100 pilots elected to the three groups in recent years, at least 85 are related to other pilots, with some new members able to trace their lineage back five or six generations.


85% related.

I would say thats probably pretty close to the # of applicants are somewhat related.

The associations arent flooded with applications from random people. It takes a hell of a lot of time, money, and effort to even qualify for these types of jobs. Depending on the port and/or association, it can take anywhere from 8 to 12 years or so just to put your name in or become one.

To someone interested ask them if theyre willin to:
Go to a 4 year maritime school. Keep in mind youre joining the Corps of Cadets while there, live in dorms, wear your silly uniforms every day, etc
Spend your summers at sea. Two 90 day cruises (which cost 10k a piece now), and one 60 day cruise (that you might be lucky to get on a commercial ship. if not 10k more).
Pretty much sacrifice any type of college life someone like an LSU student has
Culminate the degree with a 4 day test from the USCG, which determines if you graduate or not from school.
Go work on a ship/boat for a few years away from home at minimum half the year.
Ride the route of the area on your off time to get the license needed for the area, which can take a very long time in itself.
Take all the testing for that area and pass.
Now you finally get to apply. Surprise, none of them hire very often so it might be years before you can even get considered.

This isnt like going to law school or engineering like half the people on here did
Posted by YoungManOldMan
Member since Dec 2017
1882 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:54 pm to
You do all that...then they hand the job off to Johnny Jr. what seems fair about that?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171955 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

To someone interested ask them if theyre willin to:
Go to a 4 year maritime school. Keep in mind youre joining the Corps of Cadets while there, live in dorms, wear your silly uniforms every day, etc
Spend your summers at sea. Two 90 day cruises (which cost 10k a piece now), and one 60 day cruise (that you might be lucky to get on a commercial ship. if not 10k more).
Pretty much sacrifice any type of college life someone like an LSU student has
Culminate the degree with a 4 day test from the USCG, which determines if you graduate or not from school.
Go work on a ship/boat for a few years away from home at minimum half the year.
Ride the route of the area on your off time to get the license needed for the area, which can take a very long time in itself.
Take all the testing for that area and pass.
Now you finally get to apply. Surprise, none of them hire very often so it might be years before you can even get considered


Then tell them they might not even get where they want because they aren't related to the right people.
Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:58 pm to
I keep seeing a defense that only/mostly family members apply for the jobs so it stands to reason that the people hired will be family members. I agree. Makes sense.

I seem to remember reading that many times the jobs are not officially posted and only those with inside, (ie family) knowledge will actually know of any openings. Is this correct?

Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72012 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:58 pm to
I understand it is a very challenging, niche industry. I just have a hard time believing only relatives of pilots are the ones willing to go through all of that for 500k a year.

Part of the issue with applicants being mostly relatives could easily be traced back to these jobs apparently not being advertised. How can you apply if you have no idea there is an opening? That's a nepotism issue in and of itself.

quote:

When a group of river pilots in South Carolina advertised the opening of four jobs worth about $360,000 a year in 1996, 60 people applied. Ultimately, none of the four winning candidates was related to any members of the Charleston Branch Pilots' Association.

In Florida, where pilots also make top dollar, the Port Canaveral group usually gets 30 applicants for every job that comes open. None of the group's eight members is related to another.

But in Louisiana, where pilot jobs are never advertised, the New Orleans-Baton Rouge Steamship Pilots Association wound up with a total of 49 candidates this spring for 44 jobs paying $321,000 a year. At least 37 of the 44 winning candidates are related to other NOBRA pilots.


so basically, I agree with you. I'm sure the vast majority of applicants are related. The problem is it's because they're the only ones who know when a position is available, because of their DNA.
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

people should be excited these pilots are demanding more $$ from the chemical corps that are posting tens of billions in profit per year.


Spoken like a Bernie Bro
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171955 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:00 pm to
Yeah this guy is a convenient socialist all over this thread.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72012 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

I seem to remember reading that many times the jobs are not officially posted and only those with inside, (ie family) knowledge will actually know of any openings. Is this correct?



correct, I quoted above. I stand corrected from my earlier post, but the nepotism is still an issue.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:01 pm to
johnny jr still did all of those things though. im not saying its fair but thats how it works
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53803 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

would also get into the fact that its possible to have that "fun" while presenting actual arguments to support your position. In fact in would probably increase your "fun" because it would get people even more involved. But theres no point, because its obvious someone of your intelligence level just isnt capable of doing 2 things at once.
or because its impossible to defend the indefensible...
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:02 pm to
quote:


But in Louisiana, where pilot jobs are never advertised,


They are required by the state to advertise their openings. The last election was in the newspaper and on their website.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

To someone interested ask them if theyre willin to:
Go to a 4 year maritime school. Keep in mind youre joining the Corps of Cadets while there, live in dorms, wear your silly uniforms every day, etc
Spend your summers at sea. Two 90 day cruises (which cost 10k a piece now), and one 60 day cruise (that you might be lucky to get on a commercial ship. if not 10k more).
Pretty much sacrifice any type of college life someone like an LSU student has
Culminate the degree with a 4 day test from the USCG, which determines if you graduate or not from school.
Go work on a ship/boat for a few years away from home at minimum half the year.
Ride the route of the area on your off time to get the license needed for the area, which can take a very long time in itself.
Take all the testing for that area and pass.
Now you finally get to apply. Surprise, none of them hire very often so it might be years before you can even get considered.

This isnt like going to law school or engineering like half the people on here did




and then when/if an outsider gets in the rest of the association and pilots will make his life a living hell and he wouldn't make half as much, he will eventually want to quit and go work on a OSV
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

But in Louisiana, where pilot jobs are never advertised, the New Orleans-Baton Rouge Steamship Pilots Association wound up with a total of 49 candidates this spring for 44 jobs paying $321,000 a year. At least 37 of the 44 winning candidates are related to other NOBRA pilots.




Thats because everyone in Louisiana is related some how


Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

and then when/if an outsider gets in the rest of the association and pilots will make his life a living hell and he wouldn't make half as much, he will eventually want to quit and go work on a OSV



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