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re: The Michigan high school shooter's parents are on the run (now arrested and in custody)
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:27 am to stout
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:27 am to stout
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I come off as someone that doesn't let emotions get in the way of logic unlike you.
There’s nothing emotional or illogical to holding a parent legally responsible when they are guilty of extreme negligence.
Nice try though.
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Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:28 am to PaperPaintball92
My biggest issue beyond not securing a handgun from a teen is them ignoring all the warning signs.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:28 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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You need to do some more research, brah. Wayne County in the Detroit area has gotten parents for involuntary manslaughter convictions for much less than what these parents did. A dad got put in prison a few years ago for his son getting shot while playing video games. The gun was not secured in the home.
Yes the laws for IM in Michigan are very broad and the parents will go down as a result. That doesn't mean it's not extreme.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:28 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:If so, would the FIRST thing you do is secure the gun? There needs to laws like Careless Parenting and Reckless Parenting to get the out of control failure to parent under control.
Parents likely didn’t do anything because they were scared of their own son and didn’t want to be executed in the middle of the night.
Just because you can breed shouldn't be an excuse to be a shitty parent.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:29 am to BluegrassBelle
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There’s nothing emotional or illogical to holding a parent legally responsible when they are guilty of extreme negligence.
So you are OK with NEVER again trying a 16 year old as an adult?
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:29 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Parents likely didn’t do anything because they were scared of their own son and didn’t want to be executed in the middle of the night.
If I’m so scared of my kid that they might kill me, last thing I’m doing is buying them a firearm for Christmas.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:30 am to stout
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Yes the laws for IM in Michigan are very broad and the parents will go down as a result. That doesn't mean it's not extreme.
I think it's a case by case issue and the facts from this case point to EXTREME negligence by the parents.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:30 am to jimwnola
Agree 100%
The school has plenty of blame in this.
The school has plenty of blame in this.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:30 am to stout
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So you are OK with NEVER again trying a 16 year old as an adult?
I'm pretty sure she's okay with locking up this kid for life.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:30 am to stout
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So you are OK with NEVER again trying a 16 year old as an adult?
You shouldn’t be emotional right now and using absolutes, stout.
Different situations require different interventions.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:34 am to stout
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No logical person can honestly say that IM is the right charge for the parents.
Plenty of logic. The parents have a responsibility and multiple facts show they were negligent. That is logic my friend.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:34 am to hikingfan
The kid needs to spend a little time at juvenile prison then transferred back home.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:34 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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m pretty sure she's okay with locking up this kid for life.
He’s trying to equate that saying the kid should be tried as the adult means he isn’t a minor and there isn’t someone who should be responsible for him.
They’re not mutually exclusive. You can be a kid committing a big boy crime and deserve a big boy punishment while also acknowledging the adults who should’ve worked to keep him in check failed miserably.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:35 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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and the facts from this case point to EXTREME negligence by the parents.
Well a jury will decide but I think their fate is sealed already.
This a dangerous slippery slope IMO. I never understood people that champion such broad laws and prosecutions. Especially ones that are selectively enforced as you just said.
Try the kid as an adult. It happens all of the time. Oh that's right...we cant do that because we need to use this case to chip away at the 2A somehow.
You already have one idiot in this thread calling for a national gun registry without even realizing what he was saying.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:37 am to stout
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This a dangerous slippery slope IMO. I never understood people that champion such broad laws and prosecutions. Especially ones that are selectively enforced as you just said.
A slippery slope is convicting every parent that has a kid that steals their gun and kills someone with it. This is not a slippery slope. There is plenty of evidence the parents were extremely negligent.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:37 am to BluegrassBelle
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Different situations require different interventions.
AKA selective enforcing
The fact that so many of you are OK with such broad laws is insane to me.
It's scary that such extremes come from both sides of the political spectrum too.
I am never for more laws or laws that leave such broad interpretation of enforcement.
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:39 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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This is not a slippery slope.
You do understand the definition of slippery slope, right?
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:42 am to stout
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The fact that so many of you are OK with such broad laws is insane to me.
I think a lot of it depends on what the prosecutor sees as a winnable conviction. Cases where your kid kills 4 people and injures others after the parents having a picture their son drew of people murdered put in their face 2 hours before the shooting vs a parent that might have left a key to the gun case in some drawers are not going to be treated the same by a prosecutor.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:43 am to stout
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You do understand the definition of slippery slope, right?
You do understand involuntary manslaughter, right?
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:48 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
In Louisiana it is Negligent homicide and the law isn't as broad as in MI so yes forgive me if I think it is extreme. No way they would be charged here in LA.
Should the parents face consequences. Sure civilly. Criminally for IM? Not IMO
Should the parents face consequences. Sure civilly. Criminally for IM? Not IMO
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