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re: The illusion of moral decline
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:44 pm to Big_Sur
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:44 pm to Big_Sur
quote:
a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
“Ignore what you see with your own eyes, and what you’ve experienced in your own life, and trust our study instead”
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:47 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I think you managed to have an utter non-sequitur
Why do you think me saying we could have saved all those poor black kids pain by returning them home is "non sequitur?"
Every evil beyond 1865 could have been eliminated in this country (as race is our original sin) by returning people from whence they came.
Why is that bothersome? Its a solution to your problem.
We could become more moral by returning people to the lands in which they were snatched.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:48 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:
“Ignore what you see with your own eyes, and what you’ve experienced in your own life, and trust our study instead”
Exactly.
Shenanigans aren't bad shenanigans when they are done for the "moral" reasons.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:The discussion is on if morality has declined over time. The argument submitted is that, no, we haven't "declined" in morality since the days of legally holding humans as labor property and sexual prisoners and/or holding them as 2nd class citizens and murdering them with state impunity. Instead, it's been a staggering INCLINE in societal morality.
Why do you think me saying we could have saved all those poor black kids pain by returning them home is "non sequitur?"
Every evil beyond 1865 could have been eliminated in this country (as race is our original sin) by returning people from whence they came.
Why is that bothersome? Its a solution to your problem.
We could become more moral by returning people to the lands in which they were snatched.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
The discussion is on if morality has declined over time.
it has not, nor has it improved.
it changes due to shifting social ideals. Its a false dichotomy.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yeah but bud light put a tranny on a beer can, god is about to smite us
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
it has not, nor has it improved.
So, one might say….
Moral decline is an illusion?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:OK, this is just some pure argument from relativism you are making?
it has not, nor has it improved.
it changes due to shifting social ideals. Its a false dichotomy.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:55 pm to Hateradedrink
quote:
Moral decline is an illusion?
Morality is an illusion
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:55 pm to Hateradedrink
quote:I know, the horror. But god was just peachy when the master was raping 12 year olds. And here I thought we cared about pedo stuff.
Yeah but bud light put a tranny on a beer can, god is about to smite us
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:56 pm to Hateradedrink
quote:
Yeah but bud light put a tranny on a beer can, god is about to smite us
Most men don't identify with trannies. Its understandable why dudes would balk..
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
. And here I thought we cared about pedo stuff.
I do, you don't.
I'm not in your tribe.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
it has not, nor has it improved.
So you're basically saying morality doesn't exist because its always shifting based on current ideals?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:07 pm to rintintin
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So you're basically saying morality doesn't exist because its always shifting based on current ideals?
In a nutshell.
And we falsely judge yesterdays standards by changing values.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:When did you turn so nasty and bitter, dude? I thought you had your shite sorted out and were living life not embittered.
I do, you don't.
I'm not in your tribe.
I could just say "frick you" for accusing me of such stupid shite.
But I'd rather engage constructively. I have no idea what "tribe" you think I'm in, but do you really find this to be a good use of your time? You're a middle-aged man in Alaska who's been through some shite. And you're spending precious time on a Saturday telling people they promote pedophilia?
I want better for you.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
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When did you turn so nasty and bitter, dude?
Why is that nasty and bitter?
You have a different idea of morality than I do.
Is that some kind of moral dilemma for you? Jesus christ you melt down about anything..
Do you want me just to agree with you so you can feel better about yourself?
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I can respect that, but I don't agree.
I think certain big item things are inherently immoral. I'm not religious but think 10 commandment type things.
The rest just shifts with time.
I think certain big item things are inherently immoral. I'm not religious but think 10 commandment type things.
The rest just shifts with time.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:12 pm to rintintin
quote:
I think certain big item things are inherently immoral
"Thou shalt not kill."
I can personally think of several times its moral to kill.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Sure you can't look at it in a vacuum. Nothing is absolute.
But you can't convince me that randomly killing someone for no reason isn't immoral.
But you can't convince me that randomly killing someone for no reason isn't immoral.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:17 pm to Big_Sur
Damn 11 pages. This post did bigger numbers than I expected!
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
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