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Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:55 am to Corinthians420
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Not at the same percentage tho.
Depends, if your work is mostly labor, it will be close to proportional.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Encourage free enterprise, like we once did. Let people live off their own labor. That seems far more humane than flipping fries 40 hours a week.
My opinion is that pursuit of a living wage for the unskilled promotes stagnation and a permanent underclass because they stop growing.
I agree with this all on premise. The problem is there is no solution to prevent a permanent underclass. It will always exist, as it always has.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:56 am to Corinthians420
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Not at the same percentage tho. If min wage goes from 15 to 18 and hour and that fast food employee makes an extra $20 a day, his hamburger doesnt go up $20. Everyone's hamburger goes up 15 cents
That's a valid point if one hamburger was all you had to buy in a day.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:56 am to Corinthians420
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The problem is there is no solution to prevent a permanent underclass. It will always exist, as it always has.
The solution will be UBI (really not universal, but...)
We all know it. It appears we're trying to currently pad the roles too, which is really stupid.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:57 am to Corinthians420
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Not at the same percentage tho. If min wage goes from 15 to 18 and hour and that fast food employee makes an extra $20 a day, his hamburger doesnt go up $20. Everyone's hamburger goes up 15 cents
But then his landlord realizes he can squeeze out an extra 100-200 a month because everyone who is vying for his apartment is now making extra every day. And the babysitter decides to up their charge (because he’ll know the McD worker is making more than them). The local warehouse has to up wages to be above McDonalds, this cost is passed on to the people whose goods are warehoused there..it will all even out and you’ll have approximately the same percentage of people who can’t afford the basics of life.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:57 am to Corinthians420
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The problem is there is no solution to prevent a permanent underclass. It will always exist, as it always has.
There's a solution. You just aren't willing to allow it to happen.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:58 am to LNCHBOX
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There's a solution. You just aren't willing to allow it to happen.
Bruh
You really believe there's a way society can exist without a permanent underclass? It hasn't been done, ever.
There is an underclass under our current underclass. Our nation is run on the backs of cheap labor in other countries
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 9:00 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Policy needs to be based on prevention, not continuation of the same failed policies. Some of these people just need a few skills, some never will be able to contribute. Others just released from prison.
But if you have a job, by definition, you are contributing. As long as we need “burger flippers” as someone called them, someone will always have that job. As of now, we need burger flippers, otherwise corporations wouldn’t pay them. People who say those burger flippers aren’t entitled to a livable wage are essentially saying there are a group of workers that are always going to exist who can’t live on what they’re making.
If they want to advance their career, learn a skill in the meantime, they can do that. But if they do, and they become a welder / electrician / air traffic controller, someone will take their place. Make sense?
This also depends on what we define as a livable wage. Livable is different from desirable and libs often conflate the two. I define livable wage as something that you can pay your bills with if you’re financially responsible and don’t do stupid shite to get into debt. That’s on the burger flippers. But as long as someone is filling a need in society, they need a livable wage. Otherwise we have people that society needs that will eventually die, go homeless, or check out and go on drugs.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The solution will be UBI (really not universal, but...)
This solution will only work once we have figured out Nuclear Fusion and have the ability to manufacture products at the atomic level but even then there will always be a "lower class."
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:59 am to Corinthians420
Bruh what? An ever growing population of takers expecting providers to give to them is unsustainable.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:02 am to TN Tygah
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People who say those burger flippers aren’t entitled to a livable wage are essentially saying there are a group of workers that are always going to exist who can’t live on what they’re making.
This is simply a fact.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:02 am to sidewalkside
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Why do people think a private business must offer a "livable wage" to anyone? Why is it the obligation of the business to pay a "livable wage" to anyone?
I read this post again and it’s even more ridiculous than the first time I read it. If you’re literally talking about a livable wage, you might as well say,
“Why does someone think they have the right to live if they’re merely filling a need for a company that hired them?”
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:06 am to bad93ex
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but even then there will always be a "lower class."
Yep.
The economy is moving faster than humans are evolving. The humans who are capable of adapting will do very well, those who cant will not.
That class of "not" is expanding at an incredible rate exacerbated by a lsocial pause in natural selection, immigration and government fiscal policy. I bet in 20 years almost everyone will be some kind of gig worker.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:07 am to TN Tygah
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But if you have a job, by definition, you are contributing.
How do you quantify "contributing" in a monetary sense?
If you cost more than youre producing, youre not contributing.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:08 am to TN Tygah
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“Why does someone think they have the right to live if they’re merely filling a need for a company that hired them?”
Total dishonesty on your part.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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That class of "not" is expanding at an incredible rate
as is the upper class. the only class getting smaller is the middle class. Wonder how long until we get a 33/33/33 split
but dont get it twisted, your (the middle class, not you personally) lack of resources isn't coming from the lower class taking more
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 9:12 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:12 am to Corinthians420
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as is the upper class. the only class getting smaller is the middle class.
Crafted by govt fiscal policy.
California is the model for the rest of the country. Great if youre wealthy, beneficial if youre poor, but sucks if youre middle class.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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beneficial if youre poor, but sucks if youre middle class.
but we can see that the lower class hasn't taken any wages from the middle class. their percentage of the total wealth has gone down, as has the middle class.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:14 am to Corinthians420
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but we can see that the lower class hasn't taken any wages from the middle class
Its not a zero sum game at all.
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