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re: The Battle of Peleliu raged 75 years ago today
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:54 am to The Great McGinty
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:54 am to The Great McGinty
that's a great book too!
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:00 pm to The Boat
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The Pacific War was a shite show
This is true.
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Those were some tough men.
This is also true.
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Western Europe was wine and cheese.
This is untrue and shows a striking level ignorance on your part.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:15 pm to Darth_Vader
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This is untrue and shows a striking level ignorance on your part.
It’s a joke, cuck
Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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This is untrue and shows a striking level ignorance on your part.
Easy now, no one is disparaging the eto but to say the guys the pacific didn't get the shorter end of the stick isn't true
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:49 pm to geauxtigers87
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Easy now, no one is disparaging the eto but to say the guys the pacific didn't get the shorter end of the stick isn't true
Let’s look at the numbers....
The ten divisions with the most battle casualties in Europe. Casualties are defined as killed in action, wounded in action, captured and interned, and missing in action.
Casualties/ Division/ Theater
25,977 - 3rd Inf. Div. - Mediterranean & European
23,277 - 9th Inf. Div. - Mediterranean & European
22,660 - 4th Inf. Div. - European
20,993 - 45th Inf. Div. - Mediterranean & European
20,659 - 1st Inf. Div. - Mediterranean & European
20,620 - 29th Inf. Div. - European
19,466 - 36th Inf. Div. - Mediterranean & European
19,200 - 90th Inf. Div. - European
18,446 - 30th Inf. Div. - European
17,087 - 80th Inf. Div. - European
Here are the top five US Army Divisions in the Pacific casualty numbers.
Casualties/ Division/ Theater
9,212 - 7th Inf. Div. - Pacific
8,812 - 96th Inf. Div. - Pacific
7,461 - 77th Inf. Div. - Pacific
7,268 - 32nd Inf. Div. - Pacific
7,012 -24th Inf. Div. - Pacific
And here the total losses suffered by the six Marine divisions in the Pacific:
19,284 - 1st Marines
11,482 - 2nd Marines
8,676 - 3rd Marines
17,722 - 4th Marines
8,563 - 5th Marines
8,226 - 6th Marines
The 1st. marine Div lost 19,284 which puts them as the unit with the highest casualties in the Pacific. Everyone knows the exploits of the 1st Marine Div. and the battles it fought. I’m short, they are famous.
But if you compare the 1st Marine Div. to the infantry divisions in Europe, it would only rank 8th in casualties just behind the unheralded and now mostly forgotten 36th Infantry Division.
The lesson to take from this is that while the PTO was pure hell, the ETO was far more bloody as is illustrated in the casualty rates of divisions in Europe compared to those in the Pacific.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:55 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:08 pm to 777Tiger
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looks like he fricked with the wrong army tank driver
It’s just always been a pet peeve of mine that there has been a myth of the Pacific being harder/worse from a combat standpoint then the ETO. Yes it was hellish, but the truth of the matter is the fighting in the ETO was far more bloody and brutal than in the PTO.
The fighting in the PTO tended to be short periods of combat, sometimes of incredible ferocity, but usually of small unit mop-up duty followed by extended periods in occupation/training/garrison duty. The ETO though was a unceasing slog of daily combat with the only break being when a division was pulled off the line, usually only after suffering horrendous losses.
And yes the sweltering heat and rain of the Pacific made for miserable conditions. But the winter of 1944-45 in Northern Europe was nothing less than pure unrelenting hell from which most frontline soldiers had no way of escape other than when they become a casualty themselves.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:22 pm to geauxtigers87
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This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:42 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:That's awesome. I read that one and the Luecke book after The Pacific originally aired. I remember the chapter on the smells of the battle being particularly memorable.
The author’s son is good friend of mine.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
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The Pacific
I personally thought The Pacific in HBO was decent. But Sledge’s son was highly disappointed in many aspects. He didn’t like how shoddy they were on details, like the side arm they show Sledge carry in the show is wrong. He also didn’t like how they wasted episodes showing garrison duty in Australia and when John Bassilone (spelling?) toured the states. I gotta agree with him in that aspect.
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