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re: The Advocate finally asks the question: Too many universities in La?

Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by LordSaintly
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:23 pm to
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Pick schools (McNeese State, Southeastern LA, Nicholls, UL-Monroe, Northwestern State, UL-Lafayette) and merge into two, separate 20,000+ universities.


Southeastern and ULL are nearly 20,000 by themselves.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:23 pm to
except SUNO really has no defenders. its the constant answer to starting to fix the problem.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:24 pm to
oh i agree. McNeese can be scaled back

but McNeese is always the whipping boy in these arguments on the OT b/c of ULL/Lafayette angle primarily

my larger point is that MSU is in one of the major population hubs in the state. the north is filled with colleges and only 1 major city. if you're going to make a "population" or "distance" argument, then that should be focused on North LA or those minor schools around BR/Nola first
Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:25 pm to
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And this is why this debate never works. You can go through every post and see people defend their alma mater and/or city/region. IRL, this happens but by people with actual power/money, and therefore we get no where


I would agree with shutting down a school in LC if it had more than one 4 year university no matter if it was my alma mater or not.
Posted by LordSaintly
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:26 pm to
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but McNeese is always the whipping boy in these arguments on the OT b/c of ULL/Lafayette angle primarily


SUNO, Nicholls, and Northwestern are just a few schools that I would close before McNeese.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:26 pm to
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I like how you are only going to use statistics from the city of Lake Charles instead of the entire area that McNeese services to fit your argument.



Nearly 50% of UL Lafayette's applications for 2015 came from Orleans and Jefferson Parishes, can I include the population of New Orleans when determining the area that UL Lafayette services?

20% of applications from Baton Rouge, so can I include that population as well?
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:27 pm to
The issue I see would be bringing in good faculty to teach those electives that are part of the two year program. The business degree is basically two years of electives and two years of nothing but business related courses. I do think some of the electives from other areas could be cut down and take some funds to add more to the business curriculum.

I know NW state was pushing online for a while but i haven't seen much about it lately.
Posted by ForkEmDemons
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:27 pm to
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Way too many. Louisiana needs 4-6main public universities.
LSU in BR
UNO in NOLA
UL-L an/or McNeese in SWLA
LSU-S in Shreveport
LaTech in Ruston



I would argue that NSU provides better infrastructure than LSU-S and is a good enough geographical location to service the Northwestern part of the state as opposed to LSU-S.

If anything LSU-S should simply be a 2 year college to feed into the main campus or another 4 year school. No need for either LSUS or LSUA to have 4 year programs.

quote:

I know NW state was pushing online for a while but i haven't seen much about it lately.


They still are pushing the online programs.

I personally think the merger with BPCC was a tremendous move by the university. (You can now take BPCC class at NSU's main campus).
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:28 pm to
I agree I think North LA is the real offender here besides SUNO.

I'm biased to SLU, but it serves a pretty good area. The population of la is more concentrated in the south so it probably needs more schools than north LA.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:31 pm to
quote:


Nearly 50% of UL Lafayette's applications for 2015 came from Orleans and Jefferson Parishes, can I include the population of New Orleans when determining the area that UL Lafayette services?

20% of applications from Baton Rouge, so can I include that population as well?



Congrats on missing the point
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:32 pm to
i think SELU can be defended, but at the expense of Nichols
Posted by maine82
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:33 pm to
Here's a better question: Why have Universities at all? We have Trump - he'll take care of us. He'll bring our jobs back from China!
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:35 pm to
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When you look at the demographics of the state and the quickly deteriorating economic conditions of Baton Rouge, closing LSU makes far and away the most sense. It's the biggest expenditure on the higher ed budget. Shut down one campus and save the rest of the system. Simple as that.



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Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:36 pm to
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Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:38 pm to
I honestly don't know very much about what degrees Nichols provides. I see the area they serve but i think UNO could handle taking that in. I think SELU needs a better admin that is interested in actually streamlining. It appears every school in the state has a hard line to not make a streamlined decision. They would rather throw dirt at each other and make broad cuts instead of cuts that could make the school a stronger place down the road.

Honestly though all of this discussion wont matter because JBE doesn't have what it takes to make the tough cut even though LA gov is the top of the stairs for him. I think it is more likely all schools take another hit and as discussed above they will just spread it across the school. In the end LA higher education will get worse and worse.

LSU could be rising to the top and the smaller schools could climb up as well with some tough but wise decisions. Instead of throwing dirt they should each carve out a unique spot.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:39 pm to
What boggles my mind in this conversation is anyone arguing against school closures, against consolidation and efficiency and against real change is people who don't understand the concept of watered down product.

Why do we want 7 mediocre Nursing programs instead of 2-3 well funded ones? Are people afraid that kids that leave home from school don't return so that a great nursing program in another city will mean that their city won't have good nurses? It makes no sense.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:40 pm to
Tech, Grambling, ULMonroe should all be combined into LA Tech.

Southern and Nichols shut down.

McNeese either shut down or combined into ULL
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:40 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:41 pm to
With as in demand as nursing is, it's the least of anyone's concern when speaking of repetitive programs in the state.

I see what you are saying though.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:42 pm to
I'm honestly not trying to be incendiary. Where do you think the line is for the area that McNeese primarily services? Cameron to Beauregard and part of Allen?



This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

What boggles my mind in this conversation is anyone arguing against school closures, against consolidation and efficiency and against real change is people who don't understand the concept of watered down product.



100% agree with all this. Also, good luck getting a politician to say publicly that he wants to shut down a "historically black" University.
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