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The Advocate: Erotic massage parlors retain strong foothold in New Orleans

Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:15 am
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:15 am
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Have any of you OT ballers visited any of these joints? If so, what was your experience like? And was it as sketchy as it seems?

This fascinating article is NSFW-ish.

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Massage parlors that offer services well beyond backrubs are not unique to New Orleans, a city steeped in the lore of Storyville that retains a reputation for sexual excess. Indeed, erotic massage parlors, as such businesses generally call themselves, have proliferated in the United States in recent years, expanding their foothold beyond the country’s coastal metropolises. Though almost universally regarded by law enforcement as shady, the establishments have proved resistant to regulation, vetting their clientele to weed out undercover cops and hiring high-end defense attorneys to wage their legal battles.

While some of these businesses once sought to buy police protection in the Crescent City, today they don’t have to, thanks to a crisis beyond their control.

Facing a well-publicized shortage of officers, the New Orleans Police Department has sharply curtailed vice investigations as officers grapple with huge backlogs of emergency calls that have lengthened response times. In interviews, several veteran law enforcement officials said they are confident that erotic massage parlors remain a barely veiled front for prostitution, based on a host of investigations years ago that combined federal and local resources.

But in a time of diminished manpower, certain nonviolent crimes have been relegated to the back burner.

“I don’t want to say that massage parlors aren’t a problem, but let’s face it, they’re not contributing to violence on the street,” said Cmdr. Frank Young, head of the NOPD’s Specialized Investigations Unit, which counts vice among its responsibilities. “If I had 1,500 cops, we’d be doing it full time.”


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The businesses are often called Asian massage parlors, as the masseuses are most frequently from Southeast Asia, and many of the parlors build that into their branding. The federal interest in erotic massage parlors typically hinges on whether investigators can prove the masseuses are being forced to sell their bodies against their will.

While the feds have made some sex-trafficking busts in New Orleans, however, none has centered on a massage parlor.

Just proving sex is for sale isn’t usually enough to interest the FBI.

“Garden-variety prostitution without coercion — that is not going to get the same level of attention” from the feds, Mike Anderson, the former special agent in charge of the FBI’s New Orleans field office, said recently.



And this is actually kind of hilarious:
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When the NOPD took a more aggressive stance toward massage parlors, it wasn’t uncommon for officers to go undercover and arrest women on a misdemeanor or municipal charge after they offered sex; local court records contain dozens of such cases.

In 2010, for instance, vice officers conducted four operations in as many months that targeted the VIP Health Club on Canal Street; the Hollywood Spa across from the Roosevelt Hotel; and the Sakura Spa on Chef Menteur Highway in New Orleans East. All of the investigations resulted in prostitution-related arrests.

At the Hollywood Spa, a parlor that still receives consistently high ratings in online forums, Huong Dinh, 49 at the time, offered to give an undercover officer “sucky and sex” for $200 and then severely injured herself jumping out of a second-floor window of the establishment as officers tried to take her into custody, according to a police report.


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Masseuses like Dinh, who had to be hospitalized after her fall, are easily replaced by the parlors, and it’s not uncommon for the businesses to shuffle women between cities. It’s far more difficult for law enforcement to implicate the managers and proprietors of the parlors, who may claim to be oblivious to the “extra services” the parlors offer.

Young and his partners at the FBI needed months to accomplish this in 2002, when they built a case against four women operating New Orleans massage parlors, including Rot Groce, who ran the Bangkok Spa on Iberville Street. (The business remains open today but is known as the Sun Spa.)

Authorities alleged the women paid tens of thousands of dollars in what they thought were bribes to Young, who was undercover, in exchange for police protection.

A few years earlier, the same spa’s operators had paid Russell Nelson, a former New Orleans police officer, some $11,000 over a period of four years to lay off the parlor, help charges against workers get dismissed and provide the business with descriptions of undercover officers. Nelson, who had served on the force for 14 years, was sentenced to a year in federal prison after being caught in a sting.

“If you continue to put pressure on them, they offer you bribes,” said Tim Bayard, a former NOPD captain who led the department’s vice and narcotics squad. “They’ll offer you free sex, gifts, and you’ve got weak-minded policemen who will take them up on this kind of stuff.”

Young, in a recent interview, could not explain why the case against Groce and her co-defendants was dismissed. “There was plenty of evidence,” he said.

The Orleans Parish District Attorney’s Office, in response to a public-records request, released documents earlier this year that showed Groce alone had paid police $56,795 in cash and gifts — including a Rolex watch and four Sugar Bowl tickets — that was characterized as bribe money. Christopher Bowman, a spokesman for the DA’s Office, noted the case was dismissed under the administration of former District Attorney Eddie Jordan.



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Over the years, many of the parlors have lacked the required licenses to legally offer massage therapy. But the question of who, in practice, is responsible for enforcing these regulations appears to be something of a hot potato.

City law identifies a long list of sex acts that are grounds for suspending or revoking licenses. But Sarah McLaughlin, a spokeswoman for Mayor Mitch Landrieu, wrote in an email that “state law supersedes city ordinances regarding this for licensing and inspection, except as it relates to zoning and occupational licenses, which City Planning Commission and Revenue Bureau oversee.”

State law forbids prostitution at massage parlors and provides for an obscure agency known as the Louisiana Board of Massage Therapy, which fields complaints but, according to its website, “is not allowed by law to regulate establishments advertising massage therapy services but providing illegal services.”

“We will accept the complaints and let local authorities know that the establishment is in violation of the massage therapy licensing laws,” the board says on its website.

The board also lists all licensed massage therapy establishments on its website. Tokyo Modeling — along with most of the parlors targeted by the police — aren’t on the list.

Bayard, the former NOPD captain, described today’s erotic massage parlors as “wide-open operations” that have flourished in a city with virtually “no vice enforcement to speak of.”

“It’s a front for prostitution,” he said. “That’s all it is.”

Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39646 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:20 am to
Who gives a shite if someone pays $100 for a blowjob?

I did appreciate the flying prostitute though
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 10:21 am
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:24 am to
Bangkok Spa on Iberville , use the special knock.
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
31482 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:30 am to
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Bangkok Spa on Iberville , use the special knock


the Bangkok Spa on Iberville Street. (The business remains open today but is known as the Sun Spa.)
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
34292 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:37 am to
Just read a very well known one in MS got busted the other day. As long as the places are employing willing people then leave them be.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28622 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:38 am to
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Who gives a shite if someone pays $100 for a blowjob?


Exactly. Two consenting adults = no crime, imo.

I do want to know more about that special knock. For, uh, research.
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:40 am to
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the Bangkok Spa on Iberville Street. (The business remains open today but is known as the Sun Spa.)



Haven't been in 20yrs, guess they changed the name
Posted by 70739tigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
1367 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 10:41 am to
Quan li with the kung fu grip
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79437 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:01 am to
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Who gives a shite if someone pays $100 for a blowjob?


Not me. Sounds like a pretty solid transaction.

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Who gives a shite if someone pays $100 for a blowjob from someone who is in America illegally, does not retain a significant portion of that $100 and for all practical purposes is being held against their will?


Me.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28622 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:03 am to
That is exactly why the industry should be regulated and taxed just like any other.
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
Member since Aug 2013
15402 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:05 am to
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26177 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:10 am to
quote:

As long as the places are employing willing people then leave them be.


And the sad part is, this typically isn't the case. A lot of these girls are a part of large scale trafficking operations. That's why they're so interchangeable between cities.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28622 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:10 am to
The world's oldest profession. It ain't going away anytime soon.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
16019 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:12 am to
Mama-san on Canal will have her girls shower you, dry you off, and lay you down for a relaxing sequence of rub, tug, and plug for 200 dollars American. I've heard.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:14 am to
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Who gives a shite if someone pays $100 for a blowjob? I did appreciate the flying prostitute though


Two issues I would have.. First, I would be nervous police would bust in the door and there would be a giant article in the paper about a massage parlor sting with my picture in it. I've seen those before. How embarrassing.

Second, a lot of these women are sex slaves, and were brought to America and forced to work long hours jerking off old dudes for cash. It's gotta be a pretty miserable life.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79437 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:16 am to
Agreed. These "parlors" could never meet that definition. These women , for the most part, do not have possession of their own passports, and are sucking dick as indentured servants.

I'd say, have some respect for her terrible situation and hire a "legit" independent girl who makes the transaction of her own free will before allowing yourself to believe that you are a Free Marketeer. If half the transaction is essentially coercive, the other half shares culpability.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76812 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:19 am to
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“I don’t want to say that massage parlors aren’t a problem, but let’s face it, they’re not contributing to violence on the street,” said Cmdr. Frank Young, head of the NOPD’s Specialized Investigations Unit, which counts vice among its responsibilities. “If I had 1,500 cops, we’d be doing it full time.”

Ok so we now know NOPD does not need 1500 cops
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26177 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:19 am to
Which is why it really bothers me that the authorities know this and just don't care. They're not "hurting anyone" so they don't devote any effort to investigating. Ignoring the fact that these girls are more often than not, sex slaves who aren't being paid and held against their will.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28622 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:24 am to
Violent crime is seen as the more pressing issue in NOLA. I have to agree. But the exploitation of the women at these institutions can be bad and should probably be addressed in some way, but given that this is something that crosses state lines in many cases, it should really be the FBI doing these investigations and not local law enforcement, who may not have the means.
Posted by foj1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
3776 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:33 am to
These places are popping up all over BR as well
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