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re: Texas to become an Open Carry State at midnight tonight

Posted on 12/31/15 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by Bootyrich
Mandeville
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 3:04 pm to
yes
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 3:08 pm to
No permit required to open carry or to carry in vehicle in Louisiana.

I have always said if I feel the need to carry a gun I would rather carry it open. Why hide it?
Posted by MisterSenator
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:54 pm to
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Posted by MisterSenator
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:55 pm to
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Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64692 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:17 pm to
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Any OT brethren plan on going John Wayne Style once the new law goes into effect tonight? And what's the general consensus on open carry?


I know people that never needed a gun ever in their lives to defend themselves, much less even a knife will be hoping to open carry for purely political reasons and nothing else. Its sad quite frankly. What's worse is the open carry law extending on to college campuses.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:19 pm to
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However, my CHL class is in 2 weeks. I'd much rather carry concealed.



Ever been near a shootout? Shot at? Robbed at gunpoint? Mugged? Ever been in a fist fight?

Just trying to figure out the rationale behind the desire for a CHL. You know the class won't make you a sniper, right?
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:20 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:21 pm to
It's going to be a cluster.

The ones pushing it (as already said) are the white women soccer moms who freak out over guns.

The cops will then break the law by requesting the handgun license, then arresting the person when they refuse to do so.

The only time you are legally required to present your concealed weapons permit is during situations when police or magistrates have the authority to ask for your regular identification.

As you know, in Texas, you do not have to provide ID unless being arrested (or, of course, if you're being pulled over for a traffic violation). Detention does not count. But cops abuse that all the time, and will step it up with open carry.

Police will charge with disorderly conduct, even though the Texas criminal courts of appeal have already ruled that someone merely spooked by the sight of a gun and calling 911 does not count as disorderly conduct.

The courts will sort this all out, eventually. But the law is clear.
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(a) If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder’s person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder’s driver’s license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder’s handgun license. A person who fails or refuses to display the license and identification as required by this subsection is subject to suspension of the person’s license as provided by Section 411.187.

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a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.

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(a) A person commits an offense (disorderly conduct) if he intentionally or knowingly:
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:36 pm
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
Member since Jul 2005
22754 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:43 pm to
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As you know, in Texas, you do not have to provide ID unless being arrested (or, of course, if you're being pulled over for a traffic violation). Detention does not count. But cops abuse that all the time, and will step it up with open carry.

Police will charge with disorderly conduct, even though the Texas criminal courts of appeal have already ruled that someone merely spooked by the sight of a gun and calling 911 does not count as disorderly conduct.



What this means is that the cops' discretion will consist of letting white guys carrying hand cannons and AR's or AK's will get a nice "talking to", while minorities will be run up on by 5 cars, will be subjected to a "felony stop", and, at minimum, arrested for disorderly conduct, resisting, etc. etc. (any one of a number of bs charges), held for a few hours or over night, and then charges dropped.

Not sure who it was, but someone famous said that the best way to get sensible gun legislation passed was to have every black male in America between 21-35 buy a gun, get a CC permit, and join the NRA.

eta: even started it off with my own downvote!
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:45 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:47 pm to
Not really. Doesn't matter what color you are, cops will give you shite.

For instance, a white veteran was walking down a road in 2013 openly carrying a rifle (has been legal for years and years) and got disarmed, a gun pulled and slammed on the hood of the cop car.

Video

For some reason, this was all upheld by the courts. "Disorderly conduct." Did that look like disorderly conduct to you?

Excuse me, it was "interfering with the duties of a police officer." Bullshat.
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:50 pm
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
21529 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:54 pm to
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Castle law...the car is an extension of your home. If you catch somebody breaking into your car, it's legal for bullets to fly


I hope you are being sarcastic. You have three major frickups of law in that statement.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 11:05 pm to
It's legal to defend property at night with deadly force (someone stealing a car). That's under the deadly force statute.

You can also use deadly force to thwart a carjacking, I believe that's also under deadly force.

You can carry a concealed weapon in your car in Texas without a permit. A 2005 law clarified an existing, decades-old law that permitted concealed carry in cars without permit if you were "traveling" from county to county, something like that.

The 2005 law gave the automobile driver the legal presumption that they were always "traveling" and it could not be questioned as to where they were going.
Posted by TigerLicks
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2003
11609 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 11:14 pm to
Hello Anti 2nd Amendment trolls in TX. Make a false 911 call about open carry, GO TO JAIL.


LINK
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 12/31/15 at 11:18 pm to
That would be nice, but

5.21.030 Misuse of the 911 system – Designated.

It shall be unlawful for any person to misuse the 911 system. It shall be an affirmative defense that the person charged has a good faith, reasonable factual basis for the request.

The "good faith" part stands out, especially. They really think they are doing something illegal.
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