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re: Teenage boy, dog fatally shot after animal attacks deputy in Palmdale, CA.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:21 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:21 pm to wadewilson
So you are telling me it should be an automatic assumption that if your dog is running toward a cop that your first thought should be that he is about to spray and pray? If it is then that is really, really scary.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:22 pm to Pettifogger
Overall shitty situation. Reason one for not owning a pit bull
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:24 pm to DAbully
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Deadly force states what a reasonable officer would do in the situation, not a reasonable civilian
Deadly force can be used when the officer believes there is a threat of death or serious bodily arm to him/her self or others. Pit Bulls weigh up to 80lbs. Could a charging, aggressive pit bull weight 1/3-1/2 of the officers weight be deemed a threat to his and others in the areas safety? Id certainly think so. Question is how controlled was he/she, and the other officers when they discharged their weapons.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:28 pm to Pettifogger
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I think it's also common sense to not fire a gun if you're uncertain of your target. There were probably several lapses of judgment here.
Is that really what happened here?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:28 pm to lionward2014
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So you are telling me it should be an automatic assumption that if your dog is running toward a cop that your first thought should be that he is about to spray and pray? If it is then that is really, really scary.
See my above post.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:30 pm to xxGEAUXxx
I don't care about him shooting it tbh. I wouldn't have shot it but i've also been in a similar situation and I know what I can handle. So shooting the dog is not an issue. Shooting the dog in close quarters with civilians and other officers around is the huge problem and why they will be found liable for the death.
Know your freaking target and what's beyond it. There's no way he acted with regard for the safety of the public if one of the rounds were able to stike a person in the chest. If the only negative were him taking some bites from a dog then he's wrong. He won't be guilty of murder or manslaughter or anything like that but he was wrong plain and simple.
Know your freaking target and what's beyond it. There's no way he acted with regard for the safety of the public if one of the rounds were able to stike a person in the chest. If the only negative were him taking some bites from a dog then he's wrong. He won't be guilty of murder or manslaughter or anything like that but he was wrong plain and simple.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:31 pm to xxGEAUXxx
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Reason one for not owning a pit bull
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Amid the shooting, a friend of the dog's owner allegedly raced around a corner in an effort to apprehend the animal.
Just pointing out that the kid was not the dog's owner because there have been several comments that have missed it, not that it changes the plot much.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:33 pm to wadewilson
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Is that really what happened here?
Unless he intended to shoot the kid in the chest what other option is there?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:34 pm to Pettifogger
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think it's also common sense to not fire a gun if you're uncertain of your target.
That requires thought and the ability to think under pressure.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:36 pm to northshorebamaman
Doesn't sound like the kid was visible until he ran around the corner.
What was the angle of the shooting?
What was the angle of the shooting?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:38 pm to Pettifogger
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I think it's also common sense to not fire a gun if you're uncertain of your target. There were probably several lapses of judgment here.
Police are also hired with the promise that if they are charged, they will be judged upon how circumstances appeared at the time of the incident, not based on 20/20 rearview vision.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:38 pm to DAbully
I agree. It will lead to termination. But hopefully this department has body cams and audio recorders. Regardless we don't need to be calling the officer a coward or saying he shouldn't of been a cop until we get the full details and videos.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:39 pm to wadewilson
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the promise that if they are charged, they will be judged upon how circumstances appeared at the time of the incident
That's a result of a court case, not some social contract. It can change at any time.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:40 pm to DAbully
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I don't care about him shooting it tbh. I wouldn't have shot it but i've also been in a similar situation and I know what I can handle. So shooting the dog is not an issue. Shooting the dog in close quarters with civilians and other officers around is the huge problem and why they will be found liable for the death.
Know your freaking target and what's beyond it. There's no way he acted with regard for the safety of the public if one of the rounds were able to stike a person in the chest. If the only negative were him taking some bites from a dog then he's wrong. He won't be guilty of murder or manslaughter or anything like that but he was wrong plain and simple.
All of this. How many other tools did the officer have at his disposal before pulling his gun? Just seems like everybody, from the cops to the thugs, are trigger happy these days.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:42 pm to NYNolaguy1
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That requires thought and the ability to think under pressure.
Which he/she acted correctly, just resulted badly because the kid came out of nowhere or the officer made a mistake. But to bash them saying that can't think under pressure is ignorant without facts of what totally happen. Remember media doesn't always give the best story in these situations.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:45 pm to lionward2014
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All of this. How many other tools did the officer have at his disposal before pulling his gun? Just seems like everybody, from the cops to the thugs, are trigger happy these days.
Define cops being trigger happy. Give me facts please.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:46 pm to lionward2014
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from the cops to the thugs, are trigger happy these days.
It's amazing that UPS and USPS are able to have far more interactions with angry dogs and somehow manage to survive without killing them. Start sending cops to the post office for training.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:46 pm to xxGEAUXxx
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Regardless we don't need to be calling the officer a coward or saying he shouldn't of been a cop until we get the full details and videos.
It's relative to me. I don't consider people that don't want to be bit by a raging pitbull as cowards. But I also would think a police officer would be better aware that he's at a residence where others are around so he better be damn sure of where he's aiming a pistol and firing. It's unfortunate. Officer was just trying to do a job and make a living and he killed someone. It sucks but that's the nature of their job. Not pulling the trigger is part of it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:48 pm to northshorebamaman
Or just make pit bulls illegal. Like many cities have done.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:49 pm to vol27
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Are lawyers, doctors and CPA's attcked by pitbulls and criminals as part of the job? Do police officers get paid as much as lwayers, doctors and CPA's?
No, but mailmen, and newspaper boys like myself did on a regular basis in the 60s and 70s, it was just part of the job and expected. In my case I did it for about 7 bucks a week.
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