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re: Teacher Salaries in Louisiana

Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:06 am to
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:06 am to
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No more pay leads to more qualified people looking into education. People disregard going into the education field because of the pay, if you pay them accordingly then they will gladly come and teach.


So higher pay only needs to apply to new aplicants correct?

You keep dodging the critical error of your argument, how does raising the pay for those already in the field raise performance? are they intentionaly doing a bad job?

I am starting to doubt you are capable of critical thinking much above that of a middle/high school level.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:07 am to
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how many times have you stepped into a classroom?


I volunteered at a school 6 weeks or so ago.

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Man, I'm paying into this year after year and then if I die my spouse isn't entitled to what i've paid into year after year.... sounds shitty to me




You're paying into the pension find. That's how it works every where. You have an awesome retirement plan. The fact that you are criticising it is comical.

I'll ask again, would you restructure your retirement to raise your salary? Don't give me some private sector bs because this is the public sector.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71619 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:07 am to
I've also answered sao in depth and it threw the convo off with his questions.

I'm here to talk and learn but I'm not wanting shite replies at 1am
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65949 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:08 am to
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No you're just trolling trying to get me off topic.

I answered your questions, sad you have to be a smartass with your replies.


I'm not trolling at all. I've been clear about my education stance since post 1. If you're upset, that's likely a sign.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71619 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:10 am to
Tell me about your personal life so I can derail the thread then.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:11 am to
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So higher pay only needs to apply to new aplicants correct?
When doesn't it?

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how does raising the pay for those already in the field raise performance? are they intentionaly doing a bad job?
I never dodged this argument once, you did not ask about it. However, I feel teachers that have scored a 1 or 2 should be back in school. I do not agree with supervisor grading or student scores but from an independent scoring team.

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I am starting to doubt you are capable of critical thinking much above that of a middle/high school level.

I doubt you actually ask the questions you want answers to, then sit and question the intellect of others


I mean if I wanted to get critical applicants and intentionally instead of what you typed
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:12 am to
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I volunteered at a school 6 weeks or so ago.

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I'll ask again, would you restructure your retirement to raise your salary? Don't give me some private sector bs because this is the public sector.

I'll ask again are you willing to restructure your current plan for more upfront? You want teacher to do that but are you willing
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:14 am to
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've also answered sao in depth and it threw the convo off with his questions.

I'm here to talk and learn but I'm not wanting shite replies at 1am

Meh, I've responded to every question honestly based on the parishes I've worked and that doesn't seem to satisfy you.

Honestly, I can't answer every question because I am a teacher. There are a lot of things I would love to change about Louisiana and the education system
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65949 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:14 am to
No. Let's stay on topic and talk about how you think one person can affect change in his parrish. That was your argument, not my career in State Government Pharmacy Benefit Management with a contractual second business in Medicare supplement, Annuity and small business employee health insurance.
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 1:15 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:16 am to
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I'll ask again are you willing to restructure your current plan for more upfront? You want teacher to do that but are you willing


I would because I understand the time value of money, but that's neither here nor there. Surely you understand that you are paid by tax dollars, therefore there is only a certain amount of dollars. In business, I can make more money if the business starts to make more money. The same is not true for you. By giving you a raise that also increase pension expense. So for arguments sake let's say a raise can't be done, but you could vote to raise your salary $12k per year, but you'd only get 50% pension, would you take it?
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 1:18 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:17 am to
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not my career in State Government Pharmacy Benefit Management with a contractual second business in Medicare supplement, Annuity and small business employee health insurance.



That's fancy way to say you reimburse government Healthcare.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65949 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:21 am to
None of the above reimburses the government. State risk pool is fully funded via the eligible population through relationships with private healthcare entities. Medicare supplement is via private carriers to bridge the gaps between Medicare Part A/B and D. Annuities are monies provided by the client via savings over a career of savings.

Rebuttal?
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 1:22 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:21 am to
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Surely you understand that you are paid by tax dollars, therefore there is only a certain amount of dollars. In business, I can make more money if the business starts to make more money
I am aware, I am also aware that those tax dollars do not go to the designated areas due to the corruption that I can not control.
Just like casinos in Louisiana was supposed to go into education and road repair but that hasn't happened like planned.



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By giving you a raise that also increase pension expense. So for argument's sake let's say a raise can't be done, but you could vote to raise your salary $12k per year, but you'd only get 50% pension, would you take it?
If you read anything I don't believe everyone should get a raise, I believe those deserving need a raise. I've scored a 3 or 4 on every end of the year for the last 5 years yet I've only received 300 in bonuses and 400 in raises.
Not sure how anyone can argue this is fair based on what I've done and accomplished. However, many feel that teachers are glorified babysitters and don't deserve nearly what they're paid.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:22 am to
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tduecen


My friend no disrespect intended, but you truly are clueless.

If tommorrow you were offered a 50% pay increase in exchage for you funding your own retirement, being placed into the SS system, losing civil service protection, and being on the hook for your own health insurance, would you take it?



Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:25 am to
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cave canem

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:25 am to
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Rebuttal?


I was just messing with you dude, damn. You're so defensive. But you did use all that verbiage to try to big shot the other poster, you could've just said what you do.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:27 am to
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If tommorrow you were offered a 50% pay increase in exchage for you funding your own retirement, being placed into the SS system, losing civil service protection, and being on the hook for your own health insurance, would you take it?




He's not going to answer, but the answer should be no if he's smart.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105449 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:29 am to
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my spouse isn't entitled to what i've paid into year after year


That's not true. Your wife or children are entitled to a refund of what you paid into the retirement through TRSL?


So that should make you feel a lot better.
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 1:38 am
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65949 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:30 am to

I'm not a big shot, though. I was vaguely asked to reveal myself and I did. I'm nobody. But I do have an intimate knowledge of education as it pertains to Texas. I work with the state, it's teacher orgs and also very close to teachers personally. It's a bigger struggle for them personally, professionally and politically than I ever fathomed.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:32 am to
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He's not going to answer, but the answer should be no if he's smart.


Bingo

Government employees in general trade the instant gratification of higher compensation for certianty of benefits and lifetime employment, quite honestly this is a very wise choice for some.

This cat just wants to have his cake and eat it too.
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