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re: Tamir Rice's (Dead KID!)Family Believe No Charges Coming for Two Officers

Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:49 am to
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:49 am to
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f this was a civilian that shot him, this wouldn't be near ad big and would have been dropped. O

If a civilian did exactly what this cop did, he would be in jail.
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:52 am to
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Except he was not threatening anyone with it


Did you look at the pictures manator posted on page 7?
Posted by purpleleaf
Member since Aug 2011
4004 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:55 am to
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Except he was not threatening anyone with it.


You idiot. He was pointing the gun at people according to the 911 call. NOT BRANDISHING like you fools want it to sound like. The 911 caller stated he was POINTING THE GUN NOT BRANDISHING. Get over it. The kid fricked up like everyone else.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:55 am to
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There is not doubt his death was a tragedy, and those saying he deserved it are fricking ridiculous.


Agreed. No kid deserves this. His parents on the other hand, should be castrated and removed from society
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 8:56 am
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:56 am to
Those pictures do not show people. Also if it was a good shoot, why would the cops lie their asses off in their initial report?
From page 6.
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he video revealed that the police lied about almost every aspect of the shooting. Rice was not seated with other people. The video shows he was alone. In fact, he wasn’t seated at all. The video shows he was standing with the police officers pulled up. Rice did not grab the gun and put it in his waistband. The video does not show the gun on the table or in Rice’s hands in the moments before the police car pulls up. The officers did not get out of the car and tell Rice three times to put his hands up. The video shows Loehmann shot Rice within two-seconds of the officers’ arrival. Loehmann opened fire immediately after exiting thw vehicle. Rice did not reach into his waistband and pull out the toy gun. The video shows Rice used both hands to lift up his shirt and exposed the gun before Loehmann opened fire. Police never saw Rice brandish point the gun at them, and never saw whether it had a neon orange tip. The video does not show Rice removing the gun from his waistband at all before he Loehmann fired his weapon.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:57 am to
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You idiot. He was pointing the gun at people according to the 911 call. NOT BRANDISHING like you fools want it to sound like. The 911 caller stated he was POINTING THE GUN NOT BRANDISHING. Get over it. The kid fricked up like everyone else.


This story should be used to denounce and put down the community and generation of thugs that glorify and promote this behavior leading to incidents like this.
Posted by purpleleaf
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:58 am to

So your rebuttal is about the police lying in their report. No one disputes this. However, the term brandishing and pointing have two different meanings. The 911 caller did not use the term brandishing but in fact pointing at people.

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In a 9-1-1 call, a caller, who was sitting in a nearby gazebo, reported that someone, possibly a juvenile, was pointing "a pistol" at random people in the Cudell Recreation Center.


Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:58 am to
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Agreed. Being shot is not a traditional repercussion of brandishing a toy gun in public, but it is certainly a plausible response in some situations. However, even if the kid didn't understand the severity of the potential repercussions, I'm not convinced that we can lay all the blame on the officer when we have the benefit of hindsight in these situations. There is not doubt his death was a tragedy, and those saying he deserved it are fricking ridiculous.

Agreed. Although we don't know the mindset of the kid we can hope he was just kidding around. It is sad that at this point I have become numb to this and hope that people can teach their children to have more respect for themselves, other people and figures of authority.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135036 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:59 am to
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This story should be used to denounce and put down the community and generation of thugs that glorify and promote this behavior leading to incidents like this.


Instead it will be used to promote rioting and looting and general thuggery.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 8:59 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:03 am to
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Yeah kind of like you shouldn't make an assumption without knowing all the facts about the case as well.


I'm not sure what assumptions you believe I've made, but the facts that we have are adequate to bring this to a jury trial, no?

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Everyone made mistakes starting most importantly with the one who started it all. Tamir


I've made no attempts to justify his actions. I'm questioning whether or not we can say with 100% authority that the shooting was lawful. If we can't say that with confidence, then a jury should decide.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:03 am to
The caller also said the gun is most probably fake. On a call for a kid pointing a gun that is "most probably fake", you don't roll up guns a blazin when there is no gun out.
Posted by iamAG
Member since Aug 2015
3517 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:04 am to
It is baffling how you can defend the kid even after the pictures. Of course he was not pointing it at anyone. You will give the kid every excuse. And since you believe if it was a civilian they would be in jail you want to make a bet? If I can.give you 3 instances where a person was killed with a fake gun by a civilian and not charged will you ban yourself and not create an alter? I know for a fact I can. It might not be a kid but it happens more than you think and the civilian is walking free.
Posted by iamAG
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:05 am to
And of course you going to say, yea but he wasn't pointing it at anyone or doinh anything wrong. For that I can't help you because pictures and, 911 call, and witness saI'd otherwise.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:06 am to
Thank you for posting (dead kid!) in your title, so I knew that you were trying to illicit an emotional response as opposed to a logical one.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:07 am to
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:11 am to
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It is baffling how you can defend the kid even after the pictures.


It is baffling that people will spend all their time and energy and emotions defending the kid or criticizing the police.

This should be an indictment on the entire culture of ignorance and violence running rampant through these communities. It should be a call to action to parents and the educators to teach children that thug bullshite is no way to live your life and certainly nothing to aspire to. Instead, you defend this kid and his actions and you set up another kid who doesn't know better or who has been directly taught the opposite to end up shot again. Nothing changes because rather than see the situation as fricked up on both sides and use it as an opportunity to learn and grow we are so sick as a country that we put every action of the situation under a microscope and never reach the real issue it should bring up in all of us.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:13 am to
I am not talking about John public shooting him when he was pointing a gun at him. I am talking about a citizen driving up to him and shooting him when a gun was not showing, knowing he had a gun (not in his hand) that was "most probably fake"
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:13 am to
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This should be an indictment on the entire culture of ignorance and violence running rampant through these communities. It should be a call to action to parents and the educators to teach children that thug bull shite is no way to live your life and certainly nothing to aspire to. Instead, you defend this kid and his actions and you set up another kid who doesn't know better or who has been directly taught the opposite to end up shot again. Nothing changes because rather than see the situation as fricked up on both sides and use it as an opportunity to learn and grow we are so sick as a country that we put every action of the situation under a microscope and never reach the real issue it should bring up in all of us.


Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:14 am to
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It's the wrong person to paint as the example of your movement, just like Michael Brown. Another thug. Why do people want to make thugs the faces of their movement?


I've got no ulterior motive and my post history makes my opinion of the BLM movement very clear. I'm also of the opinion that we cannot just ignore the law because the deceased was a bad person. It is almost as if some of you argue that it can only be murder/manslaughter if the victim was a saint. The argument shouldn't be whether or not Tamir Rice would have been a contributing member of society; the argument is whether or not the officer committed a crime.

Even if he was justified in the shooting, we should still search for ways to prevent this series of bad decisions that led to the outcome. Surely there were other conclusions that could have been reached besides death, right?
Posted by purpleleaf
Member since Aug 2011
4004 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:14 am to
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The caller also said the gun is most probably fake. On a call for a kid pointing a gun that is "most probably fake", you don't roll up guns a blazin when there is no gun out.


This is where you failed in your attempt. The cops were not told by the dispatch that the caller stated that the gun was probably fake. Read the facts. Not justifying how quickly the cops fired shots at the kid. I think if the 911 dispatcher had given all the proper information the kid might still be alive today.
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