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re: T OR F? Narcan was the worst thing for society in a long time
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:51 am to USMEagles
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:51 am to USMEagles
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they prefer to prescribe the opiates that are mixed with acetaminophen because if you take too much it shuts down your liver.
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acetaminophen
exits the body through the liver, as opposed to ibuprofen, that exits through the kidneys, iirc, you're saying docs are intentionally trying to frick up patients' livers?
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Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:53 am to Bedhog
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shidd. I'm flushing them.
want to sell them?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:54 am to 777Tiger
quote:sure DEA agent
want to sell them?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:55 am to Bedhog
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sure DEA agent
damn! my cover is blown!
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:55 am to tigernurse
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But there's also this science that proves it just isn't that simple.
Meh. Your "science" excuses later bad choices and I am not unsympathetic towards those with suboptimal childhoods.
What I'm saying is that science supports the fact that good choices lead to good outcomes.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:55 am to Bedhog
Guess it depends on if you’re the one saved by Narcan or the one bitching about the ones saved by Narcan
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:55 am to tigernurse
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addicts that I have met on their recovery journey, are THE MOST sincere, honest, and LOYAL people
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:56 am to 777Tiger
That is a thing. Very rare for docs to think like that, but it definitely exists.
The reason tylenol is in a decent amount of opiates is there is a synergistic effect the allows lower doses of each drug to have the same amount of pain relief.
The problem is that when people are addicted, they take too much and it fricks up their liver.
They actually stopped making lortab ~12 years ago and came out with norco for this reason. Norco has about half as much tylenol as lortab, so less risk of liver injury.
The reason tylenol is in a decent amount of opiates is there is a synergistic effect the allows lower doses of each drug to have the same amount of pain relief.
The problem is that when people are addicted, they take too much and it fricks up their liver.
They actually stopped making lortab ~12 years ago and came out with norco for this reason. Norco has about half as much tylenol as lortab, so less risk of liver injury.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:56 am to Bedhog
Lol at "feeling great on narcan"! The last thing a junkie wants is to be administered narcan. It literally kills the high and sends you into immediate and intense withdrawal. Also, I've never heard a health care provider say narcan is a scorn on society. In fact, if one did say that they absolutely shouldnt be in the medical field.
Your typical heroin addict is not the guy begging for money on the street. It's your neighbor, your co-worker, your friend. Chances are that you are acquaintances with an addict and you have no idea about their addiction issues. I was in treatment with 4 different doctors addicted to proxies, one med school resident who had been hooked in heroin throughout med school, nurses diverting fentanyl, pharmacists stealing meds and lawyers showing up to court drunk and high on cocaine. Addiction does not discriminate. Having a life saving drug that reverses an overdose gives those people more time to wise up and get their shite together. It doesnt take away their bottom, just prevents their bottom from being in a casket
Your typical heroin addict is not the guy begging for money on the street. It's your neighbor, your co-worker, your friend. Chances are that you are acquaintances with an addict and you have no idea about their addiction issues. I was in treatment with 4 different doctors addicted to proxies, one med school resident who had been hooked in heroin throughout med school, nurses diverting fentanyl, pharmacists stealing meds and lawyers showing up to court drunk and high on cocaine. Addiction does not discriminate. Having a life saving drug that reverses an overdose gives those people more time to wise up and get their shite together. It doesnt take away their bottom, just prevents their bottom from being in a casket
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:57 am to tigernurse
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I will tell you this, the addicts that I have met on their recovery journey, are THE MOST sincere, honest, and LOYAL people I have ever met.
Up to and until you get between them and their drug of choice. Then, they will literally sell their children (in extreme cases) to answer their master's call.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:57 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Works both ways. Plenty of innocent lives have been lost to junkies trying to get their next fix.
without a doubt.
I just have had the opportunity to see the 'junkies' in a different light over the past few years. Not every addict is ready/able or willing to enter treatment. And I am still quite discerning with them. I'd give them the shirt off my back, but most of them I wouldn't tell where I live for them to come get it. I don't have rose-colored glasses on, but I try to remain hopeful for others, especially a population that healthcare largely overlooks.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:57 am to Bedhog
uhhh dont you immediately withdrawal on narcan? I wouldn't call that feeling great
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:58 am to LSUtwolves
The reason they put acetaminophen in hydrocodone preparations was a belief that it would reduce the abuse potential. Of course it didnt and only caused a bunch if liver problems, but hard core addicts know how to extract the hydrocodone without the acetaminophen through cold water extraction
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:59 am to OysterPoBoy
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The homestead exemption is the worst thing for society
You shut your whore mouth and go by some property.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:59 am to LSUtwolves
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The problem is that when people are addicted, they take too much and it fricks up their liver.
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They actually stopped making lortab ~12 years ago and came out with norco for this reason. Norco has about half as much tylenol as lortab, so less risk of liver injury.
so in short, docs are aware of the problem and are attempting to prescribe with this in mind? but abusers going to abuse? i.e., it's safe if you follow the scrip?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:01 am to tigernurse
Thank God their are still some nurses like you!!! Too many healthcare providers treat addicts like shite. Hell I've been sober for some time, but the first thing I do is tell my doctor about my past and to never prescribe me any benzos or opiates. Despite my being forthcoming, many will be scared to even treat me
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:01 am to tigernurse
quote:I hate this trend of romanticizing junkies and mental illness
I will tell you this, the addicts that I have met on their recovery journey, are THE MOST sincere, honest, and LOYAL people I have ever met. They are grateful for their lives and they put in the work each day to encourage others to obtain/maintain their own sobriety.
Odds are they’ll be back to sticking needles in their arms and stealing from family in twelve months
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:01 am to yellowfin
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You know 20 junkies?
I don’t think I would tell people that.
I didn’t know what Narcan was before opening this thread
He knows more than 20. I’m willing to bet that their OD rate is not 100%
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:02 am to ragincajun77
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Having a life saving drug that reverses an overdose gives those people more time to wise up and get their shite together.
or Kill a firefighter that just administered it.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:02 am to ragincajun77
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many will be scared to even treat me
being an attorney you should know they are scared shitless about potential malpractice suits
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