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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:29 pm to SG_Geaux
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quote: Elleshoe What is wrong with that statement? Fact. Sterling would be alive today if he had done what he was told and complied.
So we should always do what a cop with a HS education says or else we deserve to be shot? Most cops aren't very savvy of the law.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:31 pm to Cap Crunch
quote:
The videos show the officers as they arrived on scene and engaged with Sterling. The videos show that the officers directed Sterling to put his hands on the hood of a car. When Sterling did not comply, the officers placed their hands on Sterling, and he struggled with the officers. Officer Salamoni then pulled out his gun and pointed it at Sterling’s head, at which point Sterling placed his hands on the hood.
Not really a good look
Here is the thing about that. Ever seen police make a felony stop on a vehicle? Guns are drawn. In this instance they are dealing with a convicted felon that is supposed to be armed and had is being investigated for another felony. Drawing a weapon on him is absolutely in the scope of reasonable use of force.
Use of force continuum doesn't have to go each step and can escalate up or deescelate down as the situation dictates.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:31 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
So we should always do what a cop with a HS education says or else we deserve to be shot? Most cops aren't very savvy of the law.
This guy gets it
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:32 pm to Elleshoe
quote:I certainly don't agree with the "comply or get shot" idiots. But
So we should always do what a cop with a HS education says or else we deserve to be shot?
quote:You're exaggerating here.
Most cops aren't very savvy of the law.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:33 pm to Kvothe
Please stop
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:33 pm to ell_13
quote:
quote: Most cops aren't very savvy of the law. You're exaggerating here.
No I'm not. If I were, they'd all be lawyers
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:34 pm to Elleshoe
In a situation involving firearms... yes
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:34 pm to tigerskin
Reposting this.
Basic timeline:
- Police called about CD man with gun threatening someone
- Police arrive and order man to put hands on car
- Man does not comply
- Officers physically engage man but without success
- Salamoni pulls gun and threatens to shoot man
- Man puts hands on car
- Man attempts to remove hands from car
- Lake tases man and he goes to his knees
- Man gets to his feet and officers order him back down
- Man does not comply
- Lake attempts to tase man again without success
- Salamoni holsters gun and tackles man
- Physical altercation insues
- Verbal warnings continue
- Man's right hand is free and Salamoni yells that he's going for a gun
- Lake joins altercation and pulls gun
- Salamoni again yells that he's going for a gun and fires 3 shots
- Both officers roll away
- Man sits up and Lake yells for him to get on the ground
- Salamoni fires 3 more shots
Basic timeline:
- Police called about CD man with gun threatening someone
- Police arrive and order man to put hands on car
- Man does not comply
- Officers physically engage man but without success
- Salamoni pulls gun and threatens to shoot man
- Man puts hands on car
- Man attempts to remove hands from car
- Lake tases man and he goes to his knees
- Man gets to his feet and officers order him back down
- Man does not comply
- Lake attempts to tase man again without success
- Salamoni holsters gun and tackles man
- Physical altercation insues
- Verbal warnings continue
- Man's right hand is free and Salamoni yells that he's going for a gun
- Lake joins altercation and pulls gun
- Salamoni again yells that he's going for a gun and fires 3 shots
- Both officers roll away
- Man sits up and Lake yells for him to get on the ground
- Salamoni fires 3 more shots
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:34 pm to Tino
Me too.
Admins won't do it but I would just ban the account and any other account linked to it when they don't even try to make it clever or halfway believable
Admins won't do it but I would just ban the account and any other account linked to it when they don't even try to make it clever or halfway believable
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:34 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
So we should always do what a cop with a HS education says or else we deserve to be shot? Most cops aren't very savvy of the law.
Well obviously that is not a literal statement. There are limits. But as a general rule yes.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:35 pm to Tino
quote:
In a situation involving firearms... yes
Well I just don't agree. If that's you're take then sometimes self defense by the "suspect" is justified.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:35 pm to ell_13
They then retrieve a fully loaded .38 revolver from his right pocket
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:35 pm to ell_13
So now the debate is going to change to when can a cop point his gun at the head of a perpetrator.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:36 pm to Elleshoe
I am going to get downvotes again but they tell confusing instructions. Sometimes instructions are conflicting, and then one threatens the perp. At least once a night on live pd
It's like they don't both stop telling conflicting instructions until one coo goes alpha and threatens to use force
It's like they don't both stop telling conflicting instructions until one coo goes alpha and threatens to use force
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:36 pm to Elleshoe
quote:They're not doing tax or corporate law when they patrol 70805.
No I'm not. If I were, they'd all be lawyers
You know what I meant. Most understand what is within their rights as officers under the law.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:36 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
So we should always do what a cop with a HS education says or else we deserve to be shot? Most cops aren't very savvy of the law.
That is not what I said. If you run or hit a cop you should be shot. Maybe that is a little harsh though. How about the cop has to be shot at least once and then radio back to a HR rep to get authorization to shoot back?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:36 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
So we should always do what a cop with a HS education says or else we deserve to be shot? Most cops aren't very savvy of the law
So you have a poorly educated aggressive person that doesn't know the law pointing a gun at your head and your best idea is to not comply? Not real big on self preservation are you?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:37 pm to Elleshoe
Are you a man or woman ?
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