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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:03 am to Sl4m
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:03 am to Sl4m
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This event wasn't a racial event at all, at least not with the facts that are out today, but it might be made into one.
None of us have the facts. And a "racial" event isn't necessarily a demonstration of racism. It's only an event where race plays a part. And it certainly played a part in this whole affair. You can argue whether or not it's primarily racial, and if that's the argument, then I'd say that the initial event of the police shooting is not primarily racial in nature. But you'd be hard pressed to say that a black youth stealing from an Asian shop owner and then being shot by a white cop has no racial aspect to it.
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:04 am to the808bass
What facts are out today?
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:07 am to the808bass
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But you'd be hard pressed to say that a black youth stealing from an Asian shop owner and then being shot by a white cop has no racial aspect to it.
Those events should not be lumped together, as they are separate events.
If the events happened as has been leaked from the officer's point of view, then it would seem that race had no involvement at all. Would there be a reason to come to that conclusion other than the race of those involved?
But, we will likely never know all the facts, so we are all just speculating.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:08 am to the808bass
Race is brought into it.
If a white/asian guy was shot by a cop of any race after stealing from a shop owner of any race this would never have made national headlines.
Its the 'Us vs them' affect.
If a white/asian guy was shot by a cop of any race after stealing from a shop owner of any race this would never have made national headlines.
Its the 'Us vs them' affect.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:09 am to stlslick
Is Saurday, mane. Nothing new.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:11 am to Sl4m
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If a white/asian guy was shot by a cop of any race after stealing from a shop owner of any race this would never have made national headlines.
And the fact it wouldn't have made national headlines would have been a decision based on race. So it would be racial. Y'all got some kind of bunker mentality on race. Racial < > racism. It's ok to note racial aspects of things. It's reality.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:14 am to kywildcatfanone
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Those events should not be lumped together, as they are separate events. If the events happened as has been leaked from the officer's point of view, then it would seem that race had no involvement at all. Would there be a reason to come to that conclusion other than the race of those involved?
You can't separate out the events when they're all proximately and causally linked. You can if you need to make it into a non-racial event. The fact that you're fighting so hard against the racial aspect seems to demonstrate the racial aspect.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:14 am to the808bass
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It's ok to note racial aspects of things.
Of course, but it doesn't make events like this racially motivated, which is what people jump to.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:15 am to the808bass
I enjoyed CNNs coverage of the Wilson rally --- questions like "why do these people feel the need to support Wilson when they don't even know what happened" ruled the segment
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:16 am to the808bass
I can see your point, if someone is fixated on race making it about race seems normal.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:18 am to Sl4m
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I can see your point, if someone is fixated on race making it about race seems normal.
When the obvious appears, change your argument.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:19 am to kywildcatfanone
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Of course, but it doesn't make events like this racially motivated, which is what people jump to.
And when people deny any racial aspect to it, it strengthens the argument of the people who want to make it all about race.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:19 am to the808bass
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The fact that you're fighting so hard against the racial aspect seems to demonstrate the racial aspect.
You link it to race by default and I don't. I'm reasonable enough to not default to that conclusion till we have all the facts.
On day one, the assumption was race issue. Then we find out about the suspects background, and activities of that day. Then we hear from the PD viewpoint, and then the autopsy.
Unless new things have come out that I haven't heard about, each "fact" that comes out removes the racial aspect, does it not?
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:19 am to the808bass
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The fact that you're fighting so hard against the racial aspect seems to demonstrate the racial aspect
Perfectly normal here folks nothing to see.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:21 am to kywildcatfanone
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Unless new things have come out that I haven't heard about, each "fact" that comes out removes the racial aspect, does it not?
No, there's the black community's view of police. There's the police view of black criminality. There's a black person robbing an Asian store owner. Even if the shooting is 100% legally justified (and as of now, it appears it will be ruled as such absent other evidence), race and racial factors are part of the milieu.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:22 am to Sl4m
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Race is brought into it.
If a white/asian guy was shot by a cop of any race after stealing from a shop owner of any race this would never have made national headlines.
Its the 'Us vs them' affect.
Yes and No
Their issue, which was brought to light by shooting, is being harassed and profiled by police officers.
Does it happen? Certainly
I admit that i have no problems with it, and it helps keep a city safe, but at the mercy of others.
Most cops have instincts, they can almost smell a bad situation and when a car full of gang bangers is out of place. Let them use that instincts, if the peeps are innocent, they get searched and go home. If they have guns, you just stopped a possible bad situation.
Is it bad that i am pro profiling in my area, probably, but i don't give a frick. The wife and i work hard for what we have(at least she does), no one is going to just come take it. Call me a racist, i don't give a shite also. I hate every one, race makes no difference.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:23 am to the808bass
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No, there's the black community's view of police. There's the police view of black criminality. There's a black person robbing an Asian store owner. Even if the shooting is 100% legally justified (and as of now, it appears it will be ruled as such absent other evidence), race and racial factors are part of the milieu.
So it's not possible in America today that any event by any person can be viewed solely for it's own merit, but every factor in the history of mankind can be brought into the conversation regardless of intent. Wow.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:28 am to kywildcatfanone
You're making a logical leap which isn't warranted. Denying the simple realities of the events around the shooting doesn't help you (other than buttressing your opinion). It doesn't help you understand why it happened. It doesn't help anyone move forward in addressing the gulf in perspectives between the communities. If you just want to arrive at your presupposed position, avoid any other data.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:30 am to kywildcatfanone
Let's also add that in Jeff co, your going to profile the hooz of the hoosierist.
It's how it's done.
Had St.Louis County SoCo division not profiled a car of 2 gang bangers, they would not of found the killers of Steak n Shake employees in first 2 hours.
When one commits a majority of the crime, your going to be profiled, it's how good police work gets done. Sorry, but it is. Don't like it, cry to a politician.
It's how it's done.
Had St.Louis County SoCo division not profiled a car of 2 gang bangers, they would not of found the killers of Steak n Shake employees in first 2 hours.
When one commits a majority of the crime, your going to be profiled, it's how good police work gets done. Sorry, but it is. Don't like it, cry to a politician.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:31 am to the808bass
Hilarious that you think that's changing the arguement not surprising.
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