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re: St. George Responds to Economist Study
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:43 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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bigger house for less money in Zachary or Dutchtown
I find this to be a bit of a fallacy. Recently bought a house in the SG area and when comparing prices in SG versus outlying suburbs that add 30+ minutes to my commute time there were no savings and actually fewer options at the same price.
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 12:11 pm to beerJeep
Exactly
Look at the population of BR. It's stagnant. The slow growth we see is all in the other parts of the parish.
People have been choosing, and they are choosing to leave.
Others like myself who have lived in BR and then in EBR want to stay and make it better.
You can agree or disagree as to whether SG and a subsequent ISD would be better, but to arrogantly state that we should accept the status quo or leave is really not the American way. Americans have debated such things for decades. It's all a part of our political system.
Look at the population of BR. It's stagnant. The slow growth we see is all in the other parts of the parish.
People have been choosing, and they are choosing to leave.
Others like myself who have lived in BR and then in EBR want to stay and make it better.
You can agree or disagree as to whether SG and a subsequent ISD would be better, but to arrogantly state that we should accept the status quo or leave is really not the American way. Americans have debated such things for decades. It's all a part of our political system.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 12:55 pm to Box Geauxrilla
Btw if they don’t publish the full study and release the methodology in a timely manner, then at best this is shotty work and at worse is academic fraud.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:34 pm to Lsuhack1
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Btw if they don’t publish the full study and release the methodology in a timely manner, then at best this is shotty work and at worse is academic fraud.
Shoddy.
And why?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:01 pm to magildachunks
because as an academic institution your work should be available for peer review. That is the basis of any work at a university that it is for the greater good. As they say publish or perish. And if someone does a study and doesn't release their methodology or how they received their answers so other economist can review said work then they have no business being an academic professor. And if they go so far as to release preliminary findings without ever releasing the data behind it then I think you have a good basis for a claim of academic fraud. In fact releasing preliminary findings of an academic study is not in best form when the entire report isn't ready. Preliminary findings in the academic world usually means that the study is complete and they are awaiting on peer reviews.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:52 pm to Lsuhack1
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because as an academic institution your work should be available for peer review
it's not an academic study; it's consulting work done by government budgeting experts
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f they go so far as to release preliminary findings without ever releasing the data behind it then I think you have a good basis for a claim of academic fraud
i support the SG people doing what they wanna do here
but as far as the "academic fraud" thing:
Posted on 7/11/18 at 3:56 pm to 90proofprofessional
It is what it is.
SG people hired an oos firm to run the numbers for them. SG put out these numbers for review.
Justifiably so they were challenged. I personally hoped there would be more than the general outline presented.
On the other side, the mayor presented her case challenging the numbers using govt. employees. She mainly challenged the revenues.
Then just recently a non profit constituted in late July by one of the mayor's campaigners presented a study or should I say said there was a study made by two LSU profs. One was the same prof BRAC/BRAF used last go round to defeat the effort.
I'm pro SG, but would have liked more details from our side. I would like better numbers, not to make up my mind; but to persuade fence sitters.
On the other hand the mayor's first effort was strictly political. She spoke of infrastructure improvements knowing that has been a parish wide effort paid with parish wide taxes.
The second effort put out by the mayor's surrogates is just more of less. There's way less meat than what SG presented.
I'd like for some one to tell us exactly what services SG will provide if it becomes a city. Those services need to be listed.
The mayor should be challenged to tell SGeans what services the parish is providing for our two cents sales tax we now pay to the parish. We need to know what services we would lose.
SG people hired an oos firm to run the numbers for them. SG put out these numbers for review.
Justifiably so they were challenged. I personally hoped there would be more than the general outline presented.
On the other side, the mayor presented her case challenging the numbers using govt. employees. She mainly challenged the revenues.
Then just recently a non profit constituted in late July by one of the mayor's campaigners presented a study or should I say said there was a study made by two LSU profs. One was the same prof BRAC/BRAF used last go round to defeat the effort.
I'm pro SG, but would have liked more details from our side. I would like better numbers, not to make up my mind; but to persuade fence sitters.
On the other hand the mayor's first effort was strictly political. She spoke of infrastructure improvements knowing that has been a parish wide effort paid with parish wide taxes.
The second effort put out by the mayor's surrogates is just more of less. There's way less meat than what SG presented.
I'd like for some one to tell us exactly what services SG will provide if it becomes a city. Those services need to be listed.
The mayor should be challenged to tell SGeans what services the parish is providing for our two cents sales tax we now pay to the parish. We need to know what services we would lose.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:04 pm to 90proofprofessional
If it is done through LSU then LSU holds all ip rights to the study.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:13 pm to LSUvegasbombed
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they are trying to act like trump
Welcome to 2018 Merica’.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:15 pm to Lsuhack1
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If it is done through LSU then LSU holds all ip rights to the study.
why do you assume it was done through lsu, when none of the news stories about it say that it is a college of business or public administration institute product?
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:18 pm to 90proofprofessional
It is almost as if the people who are showing these much a do about nothing facts and figures of SG are...well...Baton Rouge people who do not want it to happen.
SG needs to come strong through the door or not come at all.
SG needs to come strong through the door or not come at all.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:21 pm to beerJeep
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What’s the benefit of keeping the status quo?
That's easy because I find nothing wrong with it now. Any thing I don't like I'd rather help making it better than running away from it because I happen to live on the right side of town
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:25 pm to mindbreaker
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That's easy because I find nothing wrong with it now. Any thing I don't like I'd rather help making it better than running away from it because I happen to live on the right side of town
They keep screaming about the "status quo" and how bad it is, but won't say how they'd change or do things better.
It's almost as if they have no idea what they'll do and will worry about it once they get control of the money.
SG: We'll Wing It!
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:29 pm to magildachunks
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They keep screaming about the "status quo" and how bad it is, but won't say how they'd change or do things better.
It's almost as if they have no idea what they'll do and will worry about it once they get control of the money.
I thought they would change it by keeping tax revenue in St. George and use it to fix the failing public school system?
Stop me if I’m wrong.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:42 pm to Areddishfish
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I find this to be a bit of a fallacy. Recently bought a house in the SG area and when comparing prices in SG versus outlying suburbs that add 30+ minutes to my commute time there were no savings and actually fewer options at the same price.
I just moved from Ascension back to BR. I found out something else to add to what you just said as well. People say the property taxes are higher in EBR but it balences out
by homeowners insurance being cheaper. I ended up saving a few bucks on my mortgage payment when it was all said and done when I crunched the numbers.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:44 pm to magildachunks
One word, ISD.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:46 pm to doubleb
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One word, ISD.
There's more to running a city than schools.
And there's no guarantee you'll get an ISD.
If you start a town, with no plan, and do it poorly, you'll never get a school district to run.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:46 pm to Box Geauxrilla
The path to an ISD is forming a city. That's what other ISDs did.
The benefit of forming a city is also control of 45-55 million dollars defending who you ask.
The benefit of forming a city is also control of 45-55 million dollars defending who you ask.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 6:48 pm to doubleb
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The benefit of forming a city is also control of 45-55 million dollars defending who you ask.
But why should you be in control of this money?
What's your plan to use it?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 7:00 pm to magildachunks
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There's more to running a city than schools
There are 308 incorporated municipalities in Louisiana alone, Four in EBR Parish.
It's been done before. It's not like we are talking about something extraordinary.
I've got s hunch that folks in SG can figure it out.
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And there's no guarantee you'll get an ISD.
We are guaranteed not to get an ISD if we do nothing.
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If you start a town, with no plan, and do it poorly, you'll never get a school district to run.
If if if
Are you afraid to get up in the morning? SG put forward a plan for a city. When the time comes a school plan will follow.
Yesterday you didn't know we paid a two cent sales tax to the parish, today you are an expert!
Tell me what we are going to lose if we become a city.
Not sheriff protection
Not parks
Not garbage pickup
Not sewer service
Not drinking water
Not library service
Not EMS
Not Mosquitto abatement
Not the GL plan
Not the planned road package Broome is pushing
Tell me, what will I miss that can't be bought for 45/55 million dollars a year.
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