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re: Spinoff: Seat belts vs Motorcycle Helmets
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:26 am to foshizzle
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:26 am to foshizzle
quote:Also, if this is the slippery slope you want to bank on, explain why the govt shouldnt make beer, sugar, fatty foods, cigarettes, and anything else unhealthy illegal?
It absolutely affects other people if you aren't wearing a seatbelt.
1. If you are wearing a seatbelt it is far easier to maintain control of your vehicle during sudden maneuvering. You can't steer well if you're flying across the cabin or flying through a windshield.
2. A seatbelt lowers the cost to the city of responding to the accident. Sending an ambulance costs more than you think.
3. Suppose you are hospitalized but don't have enough insurance. You will still receive care, but someone has to pay for it. But if you'd been belted in the cost will be lower if anything.
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:28 am to lsupride87
Operating a vehicle on the roads is a privilege, not a right.
Eating is not the same as that. That was a fairly easy slippery slope to avoid.
Eating is not the same as that. That was a fairly easy slippery slope to avoid.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:29 am to TigerGman
Most riders I know hate helmet laws. Just my .02
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:29 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Eating to survive is a right
Eating is not the same as that. That was a fairly easy slippery slope to avoid.
Drinking beer, smoking, and becoming obese is not your right
The govt should outlaw those things in order to not make their care expensive on the taxpayers
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:30 am to lsupride87
quote:
Drinking beer, smoking, and becoming obese is not your right
Link?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:31 am to LNCHBOX
quote:It is as of now. But hopefully the govt outlaws it
Link?
Rememeber, you used to have the right to not wear a seatbelt as well
Nanny govt took that away
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:31 am to darnol91
quote:
Why in the hell would a state make legislation about seat belts but not motorcycle helmets? What's your take?
Think that is bad. Why most states don't have a law for school buses to have seat belts?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:31 am to oreeg
quote:
What if you're lucky enough to survive and eating through a tube for the rest of your life? Who's paying for that?
You think your insurance company or the other persons insurance company has unlimited liability?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:31 am to lsupride87
quote:
It is as of now. But hopefully the govt outlaws it
Rememeber, you used to have the right to not wear a seatbelt as well
Nanny govt took that away
This reads like you're advocating for even more invasive laws.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:32 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Im being a smartass
This reads like you're advocating for even more invasive laws.
You said the slope isnt slippery
Well, it is very slippery
quote:
Large sugary drinks are on their way out of New York City restaurants. New York City's Board of Health today passed a rule banning super-sized, sugary drinks at restaurants, concession stands and other eateries. The ban passed Thursday will place a limit of 16-ounces on bottles and cups of sugar-containing sodas and other non-diet sweetened beverages beginning in March 2013.
Thank god it didnt meet final approval
But eventually these laws will get through
This post was edited on 6/5/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
quote:
You said the slope isnt slippery
Well, it is very slippery
quote:
On June 26, 2014, the New York Court of Appeals, the state's highest court, ruled that the New York City Board of Health, in adopting the Sugary Drinks Portion Cap Rule, exceeded the scope of its regulatory authority.[1][4][21] The amendment was repealed on July 9, 2015, effective August 8, 2015.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:35 am to LNCHBOX
That was the first rejection
Those laws are absolutely going to come to fruition
Just takes one judge to allow it then game on my friend
Those laws are absolutely going to come to fruition
Just takes one judge to allow it then game on my friend
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:36 am to lsupride87
quote:
Those laws are absolutely going to come to fruition
Why? Because you want them to to bolster your argument?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:36 am to lsupride87
quote:
It blows my mind people think the govt should be able to make laws regarding ones own personal safety that has no outcome on anyone else
Unless you consider yourself and every other taxpayer "anyone else".
"In 1991, prior to enacting its helmet law, California's state medical insurance program paid $40 million for the treatment of motorcycle-related head injuries. That figure dropped to $24 million after enactment of a universal helmet law."
"A privately conducted California study put the average cost of hospital admissions for a non-helmeted rider at $17,704. Of this initial amount, 72 percent of the costs for hospitalization were paid by the State of California, with another 10 percent being paid by other tax-based sources."
"Another study found that 57 percent of the patients listed a government program as the principal payer of in-patient hospital costs resulting from motorcycle crashes."
NHSTA Helmet Law Financial Impact
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:37 am to Displaced
quote:
lane splitting
Should be illegal in all 50 states! One day one of those assholes is gonna catch my empty longneck in the face.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:38 am to LNCHBOX
quote:No, because like everything, the govt arm continues to grow
Why? Because you want them to to bolster your argument?
The seatbelt laws also were met with a difficult hurdle, and people and courts were against the proposed legislation
Then, the law passed in NY, and the rest is history
The govt will continue to regulate more and more until people are finally willing to stop allowing it
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:39 am to lsupride87
quote:
Doesnt mean the seatbelt law inst govt overreach
Trust me, I'm all for less government personal responsibility but the system is set up to benefit trial lawyers. If you lift the seat belt gag order, then you have my attention.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:39 am to oreeg
quote:Ill do my best
If you lift the seat belt gag order, then you have my attention.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:40 am to lsupride87
quote:
The govt will continue to regulate more and more until people are finally willing to stop allowing it
It sounds like even liberal as all get out NYC didn't allow it, so perhaps the slope wasn't as slippery as you suggested.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:41 am to madmaxvol
quote:How much to fat arse fat obese people cost the state of california?
Unless you consider yourself and every other taxpayer "anyone else".
I bet alot of money as well
Your post just reinforces why I hate the govt. Why are the people paying for those injured motorcycle riders in the first place?
We are adding a law for the govt to have more control in order to put a bandaid on something the govt is already fricking up in the first place
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