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re: Some Tampa Bay Rays players refuse to wear rainbow gear on pride night

Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:32 pm to
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So... Is your Woke position about "evening the score"? "Revenge"? Historical "Equity" of result? Or...ALL THREE?


I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about at this point.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:34 pm to
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So you would call yourself an intellectual?


I would not, no. Though now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not even sure how I would define that term
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17845 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:46 pm to
People have different opinions as to what it means. I have learned that it means that a person is incapable of recognizing their own faults.

One last question, what are your opinions on the Colorado baker who was sued because he refused to bake a cake for the lgbt couple? Should he have had the ability to refuse them service based on his religious beliefs?
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:53 pm to
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I also find it interesting that black and gay folk are supposed to “get over” horrifying discrimination from within the last century, but you’re citing as relevant discrimination of Christians from over 1,500 years ago.


I find your relative concerns fascinating.

Especially the comparison regarding discrimination that blacks bore (to that of "gay folk"??)

Blacks discrimination was real, based on the simple color of their skin.

"Gay folk" "discrimination"?? Not even in the same universe of legit comparison -- even though "gay folk" tried to co-opt the black-equality movement because Divide & Conquer is the only card you have to play.

I think the entire world today sees exactly what THAT was all about: POWER GROOMING. RECRUITMENT. PERVERTING SOCIAL & SEXUAL NORMALCY. INVERSION OF NATURE. GLORIFYING SELF. In many cases, via coercion.

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...[Y]ou asked me whether Christians are currently discriminated against around the world, right this second, I would answer yes without hesitation. That’s just not relevant to the subject at hand.


You've changed up on the truth of the matter and actual convo, but let's move on...

"Discrimination" was NOT occurred 1800-1900 years ago; It was an outright man-hunt, slaughter, and wanton execution of Christians who stood on RIGHTEOUSNESS -- as opposed the "Gay Folk" agenda standing on LAWLESSNESS & ANARCHY. (And FORCING their behavior upon everyone else -- from the Tampa Bay baseball team to...CHILDREN.)

Christian ARE being officially discriminated against -- sanctioned by the US Gummint, Corporations, AND the Academe. ALL OF IT, UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Moreover, Josh -- please remind me exactly how and when "Gay Folk" were systemically slaughter & executed as a matter of official govt policy? AND whether MLB players owners can demand their players sport a Christian CROSS patch on their uniforms.



Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
15434 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:56 pm to
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In the history of the United States?


In an overt, physically persecuted type of way like the founder of our faith was? No.

But don't act like Christianity isn't getting squeezed out of the American culture every single day. It certainly isn't the "in" thing right now to be a Christian. But that's ok, we were told straight is the gate and narrow is the way.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:57 pm to
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I’m not even sure how I would define that term (Intellectual)


You know -- A deep thinker who contemplates and weighs subjects rationally and truthfully.

Is that you? is Truth "relative" in you core belief?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:58 pm to
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I also find it interesting that black and gay folk are supposed to “get over” horrifying discrimination from within the last century


Here comes the social justice bullshite.

True colors come out.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:02 pm to
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Late ETA: Because most of you don't actually read the entire thread before replying with this same crap over and over again, I'm not saying the players have a persecution complex. I'm saying OP has a persecution complex. Carry on.


Can I downvote the ETA...?

We're past the point...no one gives a frick, and I'm not wearing the star of David either. It's fricking stupid.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32886 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:11 pm to
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One last question, what are your opinions on the Colorado baker who was sued because he refused to bake a cake for the lgbt couple? Should he have had the ability to refuse them service based on his religious beliefs?


Are you asking me a legal question or a political philosophy question?

If the former, under the current law of the United States, no. If the latter, yes, I absolutely believe that anyone should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason whatsoever.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32886 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:13 pm to
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In an overt, physically persecuted type of way like the founder of our faith was? No. But don't act like Christianity isn't getting squeezed out of the American culture every single day. It certainly isn't the "in" thing right now to be a Christian. But that's ok, we were told straight is the gate and narrow is the way.


I certainly agree with you that Christianity has become far less popular in this country over the last few decades. It’s simply my contention that “being less popular” or even being “unpopular” isn’t the same thing as being persecuted or discriminated against.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32886 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:15 pm to
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Liberator


You’re unhinged. Have a nice day.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:15 pm to
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You know -- A deep thinker who contemplates and weighs subjects rationally and truthfully.


Acting out of emotion isn't "intellectual."

You can't justify trannyism or the rainbow bullshite with intellect. They are 100% based on emotions.

Its funny, critical theory starts off with the admonishment that it cannot be proven but its ok, because...feelings. Its called antipositivism.

Sociology is a bullshite field.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32886 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:15 pm to
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Here comes the social justice bullshite. True colors come out.


I mean, you’ve been nothing but wrong on this thread up to this point, so why not keep it going
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:18 pm to
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Glad some people are standing up for what is right.

Stop clown world.


4th wave feminism is the root of all of this.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122172 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:48 pm to
Look, I think they all should have the option to do what they want without having to even answer for their actions.

My first thought was "I wouldn't wear that shite either", but then the part of showing fans that all is welcome an all of that shite, I wouldn't have a problem doing it.

The whole religion thing is what gets me. If someone is just like "man I am not wearing that gay shite", I can understand that, but to say "well I believe in Jesus and he encourages us to live a lifestyle that would abstain from that behavior", that changes things for me.

No one decides to be gay so does Jesus want people who are gay to fight it, get married and have kids then struggle with being gay until it gets to the point they can't hide it anymore?

I also thought Jesus was all about loving everyone? If so, wouldn't it be more Jesus like to show that everyone is welcomed? There is an interesting dynamic to all of this.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17845 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:53 pm to
Do you think the government should be able to force that baker to bake a cake for someone that goes against their political beliefs?
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:56 pm to
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Acting out of emotion isn't "intellectual."

You can't justify trannyism or the rainbow bullshite with intellect. They are 100% based on emotions.


Yup. Of course it follows that because emotions control all of their so-called "logic" and critical thinking skills, any debate ALWAYS ends with a walk-out, aka surrender of the debate.

quote:

Its funny, critical theory starts off with the admonishment that it cannot be proven but its ok, because...feelings. Its called antipositivism.

Sociology is a bullshite field.


These insane goal posts -- "our insane theory cannot be proven...but our feelings and delusion is what counts" is bullshite. Goes without saying (but let's say it) the term, "Critical Race Theory" is more total bullshite.

Only in an insane world can we the sane be admonished by pod-people who a couple of decades ago would have been locked up in an insane asylum instead of being humored -- OR, claiming they are Sociologists, Psychiatrists and Psychologists (ALL THREE: are bullshite fields, aren't they? )

Btw, I just watched this video segment from Matt Walsh just last night (Matt Walsh Revisits His 'What Is A Woman' Interview With Dr. Forcier). WOW.

If you have the time, check out the ease in which this Trans-"doctor" uses her mental contortionism. She twists and distorts reality, hiding behind her medical creds." (Matt Walsh does an amazing job of exposing her condescending Yoda-ism on behalf of the Tranny-cult Movement.)

Matt Walsh Revisits His What Is A Woman Interview With Dr. Forcier
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
15434 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:59 pm to
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I certainly agree with you that Christianity has become far less popular in this country over the last few decades. It’s simply my contention that “being less popular” or even being “unpopular” isn’t the same thing as being persecuted or discriminated against.



Fair enough, but when you read op-eds like the ones posted earlier in this thread, your argument kind of loses weight.

There's a pretty big movement against Christianity in the US today.

Just look at the contempt with which it's said when someone like Obama says things like "clinging to their guns and Bibles." Sure it might not be like the Jews or Romans 2000 years ago; but it is there and it is happening.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32886 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 3:02 pm to
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Do you think the government should be able to force that baker to bake a cake for someone that goes against their political beliefs?


Assuming this is a political philosophy question, I’m not sure what about my “anyone anytime for any reason whatsoever” answer was ambiguous. Maybe I’m missing something?
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
5240 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 3:12 pm to
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The board transgenders are quite upset it seems.


As are those light in the loafers!

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