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re: Soaring Violent Crime in Atlanta- Mayor Has A Plan
Posted on 5/31/22 at 7:50 pm to Penrod
Posted on 5/31/22 at 7:50 pm to Penrod
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My buddy lives in Buckhead, but won’t stay at his home there due to the amount of violent crime. He stays at his weekend home in Northern Georgia.
As a former resident, I could run through the major incidents in the Buckhead neighborhoods over the past 5-7 or so years. One dad got murdered walking home around Roswell/Peachtree, the guy murdered at Cap City club, a guy shot and killed in a parking lot off Defoors. Then there was the guy who shot the joggers.
I'm not making light of that, there is a reason we left. But the huge majority of the shootings, etc. are groups of thugs in areas I never find myself. Now, sadly that includes Lenox and places like that, but nonetheless it's still avoidable.
I say all that to say that the overwhelming majority of Buckhead neighborhood residents won't know someone who is a victim of a violent crime in Buckhead, much less be a victim themselves. So your friend isn't exactly acting rationally here if he won't go to his own home for fear of violence. But I totally understand moving away just because you don't want to be in proximity of crime, even if it's not likely to directly impact you.
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 7:52 pm to ronricks
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Dickens is a fricking idiot. Not setting a high bar saying he is better than KLB. Bill Campbell was better than KLB also but I don’t want him as Mayor again.
Dickens hasn't been in office long enough to draw a conclusion either way.
And like the guy or not, Kasim Reed presided over crime in Atlanta w/an iron fist.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 7:54 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
I love Mayor Reed. Best 8 years this city has had in recent memory. I saw him at Midtown Tire on Ponce the other day and spoke with him while he was waiting for his Uber.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 7:59 pm to ronricks
I think you're both wrong. 
The upward trajectory of ITP stopped in 2020 after consistent rise for a decade. The upward trajectory of the Atlanta suburbs, with the possible exception of the 400 corridor, stopped in the mid-2000s.
The influx of non-Atlantans combined with the native thuggery is just a disaster for both. The white sections of Atlanta are self-loathing and eager to vote in every Warnock and Abrams they can find. Our friends in Morningside moved to Reynolds Plantation when their daughter brought home a BLM project. You're trading one problem for another.
Meanwhile, the suburban tale in Atlanta is a known pattern. Minorities flee bad areas (South of I-20, Clayton, etc.) for cheap suburbs for understandable reasons. I don't fault them at all. They want better schools, safety, etc. like the rest of us. As American demographic/ethnicity groups tend to do, they follow one another and congregate together. The bad elements eventually follow the well-intentioned, and their presence means the good elements are driven further out, only to have the process repeat.
I do think we'll eventually get to a point where Cherokee or Forsyth is just too far and too boring, but Atlanta is completely unique in this phenomenon so who knows. Regardless, I don't want to live in Canton or Cumming anyway, so I don't see those as attractive/viable options to get away from the path.
The upward trajectory of ITP stopped in 2020 after consistent rise for a decade. The upward trajectory of the Atlanta suburbs, with the possible exception of the 400 corridor, stopped in the mid-2000s. The influx of non-Atlantans combined with the native thuggery is just a disaster for both. The white sections of Atlanta are self-loathing and eager to vote in every Warnock and Abrams they can find. Our friends in Morningside moved to Reynolds Plantation when their daughter brought home a BLM project. You're trading one problem for another.
Meanwhile, the suburban tale in Atlanta is a known pattern. Minorities flee bad areas (South of I-20, Clayton, etc.) for cheap suburbs for understandable reasons. I don't fault them at all. They want better schools, safety, etc. like the rest of us. As American demographic/ethnicity groups tend to do, they follow one another and congregate together. The bad elements eventually follow the well-intentioned, and their presence means the good elements are driven further out, only to have the process repeat.
I do think we'll eventually get to a point where Cherokee or Forsyth is just too far and too boring, but Atlanta is completely unique in this phenomenon so who knows. Regardless, I don't want to live in Canton or Cumming anyway, so I don't see those as attractive/viable options to get away from the path.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:01 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Reed is a criminal. But he knew crime would impact the fruits of his corruption, so we all benefitted from that.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:04 pm to Pettifogger
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The upward trajectory of ITP stopped in 2020 after consistent rise for a decade.
That issue left when KLB decided not to run again for Mayor. The city did experience a stagnant period and a period of people leaving but that has been reversed now and forgotten about. As someone who was just participating in the intown real estate search there is no shortage of people wanting to move in most of which are white, Asian, or South Asian. Many of my neighbors are empty nesters from Gwinnett and Cobb. The stories they tell me about those once great areas are almost unbelievable.
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:22 pm to Penrod
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A friend of mine recently met with Atlanta’s mayor, who told him that 70% of Atlanta’s violent crime was being committed by people who were released from jail due to covid. The Mayor is trying to catch them at crimes and get them back in jail, and THAT’s how the Mayor intends to fix crime. Sounds like a good plan to me.
If he can execute it, it'll be a masterstroke.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:28 pm to ronricks
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Brother, I don’t live in Inman Park. I sold my house there last Spring. I live in Virginia Highland and was in Old Fourth Ward before that when it was only about 20% white so a long time ago. Some of the stuff you are posting is straight up old wives tales. SW Atlanta has a major crime problem. That is 16 lanes of interstate and 6 or 7 miles away from me. It’s isolated. The city is getting whiter and whiter by the year while the Atlanta suburbs are getting blacker/browner and flooded with Third World Illegal Immigrants who have no intention of ever learning English. Instead they are turning Gwinnett County into enclaves of whatever shithole country they are from. The city is trending a completely different direction than most suburbs. My only advice is if you are in Gwinnett or Cobb get out now. If you wait too long your property value will be shite. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see where Gwinnett and Cobb are headed. I saw this way back in 2004 when I decided to move to the city over the suburbs. My surroundings have only gotten better in that time frame while yours have gotten worse and will continue to get worse. Are there a bunch of idiot liberals around me? Sure. But they are quickly being replaced by younger people like me. Atlanta is changing and rapidly. The future of suburban Atlanta is going to be awful. Don’t say I didn’t warn you
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:30 pm to deeprig9
part of the problem.
How about we normalize being in the house asleep at midnight.
How about we normalize being in the house asleep at midnight.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:33 pm to ronricks
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love Mayor Reed. Best 8 years this city has had in recent memory. I saw him at Midtown Tire on Ponce the other day and spoke with him while he was waiting for his Uber.
Yeah, like I said, the man is far from perfect(the Airport Vendor controversy for starters) but Atlanta thrived under his leadership. Period. Scandals aside, he's the best mayor Atlanta has had in my lifetime. I'll be 41 Saturday.
How was his demeanor? I have a buddy who I call football with and he works at the airport and he has told me in no uncertain terms that he is "an arrogant prick."
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:34 pm to Pettifogger
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Reed is a criminal.
No argument here. But there is no denying that Atlanta was the safest it's ever been under his leadership. That's just a fact.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:34 pm to Pettifogger
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I think you're both wrong. The upward trajectory of ITP stopped in 2020 after consistent rise for a decade. The upward trajectory of the Atlanta suburbs, with the possible exception of the 400 corridor, stopped in the mid-2000s.
Nailed it
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Canton
Actually not bad…but it doesn’t need more traffic
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:37 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't want to live in Canton
I would. You have a nice view of The Smokies every time you take the ramp off of 75 to Hwy.20 off Exit 16 on 575.
Plus Cherokee and Forsyth have great schools.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:39 pm to ronricks
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That issue left when KLB decided not to run again for Mayor. The city did experience a stagnant period and a period of people leaving but that has been reversed now and forgotten about. As someone who was just participating in the intown real estate search there is no shortage of people wanting to move in most of which are white, Asian, or South Asian. Many of my neighbors are empty nesters from Gwinnett and Cobb. The stories they tell me about those once great areas are almost unbelievable.
KLB not running for reelection hasn't solved soaring crime, police shortage or the dysfunction of the Fulton DA (nor COA schools, etc.). Atlanta is facing the same major issues that every major city is facing, and our inherent fabric is probably worse.
I'm sure plenty of Gwinnett people see Atlanta as a better option no doubt, but go ask hot neighborhoods in Roswell, Milton, Sandy Springs, etc., which have been flooded with fleeing Atlantans (largely from Buckhead).
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:40 pm to Pettifogger
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The white sections of Atlanta are self-loathing and eager to vote in every Warnock and Abrams they can find.
I can never understand this . CNN must be proud of at least this
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:46 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
He was dropping off his Bentley for some new tires
I have spoken with him a few times over the years and he has always been nice and willing to talk for 5 or 10 min. I’ve heard he was humbled a lot by not even making the run off last election I think he thought he was going to make it in a cake walk. I would literally walk across broken glass to get him back in office. He told me nobody will hire him in the private sector until all the investigations are over. He did say he is going to run again for Mayor eventually. I know he is divorced now and living in a condo in Buckhead somewhere.
I have spoken with him a few times over the years and he has always been nice and willing to talk for 5 or 10 min. I’ve heard he was humbled a lot by not even making the run off last election I think he thought he was going to make it in a cake walk. I would literally walk across broken glass to get him back in office. He told me nobody will hire him in the private sector until all the investigations are over. He did say he is going to run again for Mayor eventually. I know he is divorced now and living in a condo in Buckhead somewhere.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:48 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Plus Cherokee and Forsyth have great schools.
Ehh, it's relative. I agree the education is there to be had.
When I tell transplants about the metro, I tell them that good school metrics require some nuance. By way of example, across the board a HS in Cherokee may have better test scores, teachers, etc. than North Atlanta. But among the contingent your kid is likely to be in at NA, his/her peers are probably going to go to considerably better colleges than the average at the Cherokee school.
Expectations rule the game. You can have a 9/10 great school where the baseline college destination is KSU, and your kid is probably going to a KSU type school. Or you can have a 6/10, but the part of the school your kid is actually going to be in (let's be honest, the white crowd) is a completely different story.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:50 pm to Pettifogger
People are wanting to move back into the city again. Yes, people did leave during Covid and the crime wave but that was short and didn’t last long. I lost several neighbors to Brookhaven, North Druid Hills or Clairmont area. This idea that people are fleeing the city like it is 1980 all over again isn’t based in reality. Real Estate is hotter here now than it has ever been. The crime you are talking about is pretty much relegated to SW Atlanta or Buckhead. You have to go looking for it to be a victim.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:50 pm to East Coast Band
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I can never understand this . CNN must be proud of at least this
Unfortunately it's not all transplants, either. In Atlanta and elsewhere (Dallas), plenty of well to do young natives are in this boat. I guess when you're a trust fund kid you find battles to fight in lieu of real life struggles. But as my wife would say, it's easy for them to volunteer 40% of their income in taxes when daddy is paying for the nanny and private school. Some of us aren't having the difference made up for by family money, etc.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:56 pm to ronricks
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People are wanting to move back into the city again. Yes, people did leave during Covid and the crime wave but that was short and didn’t last long. I lost several neighbors to Brookhaven, North Druid Hills or Clairmont area. This idea that people are fleeing the city like it is 1980 all over again isn’t based in reality. Real Estate is hotter here now than it has ever been. The crime you are talking about is pretty much relegated to SW Atlanta or Buckhead. You have to go looking for it to be a victim.
I'm from here dude, I get it. But you're ignoring that areas outside of Atlanta have been even hotter than in town, and a fair swath of those folks have come from in town. And as I mentioned, we're seeing tons of people coming from Buckhead, just like my family. A lot of them are fleeing as close in as they can, like extreme north Buckhead or south SS.
As for the "go looking for it" - that's more or less what I was talking about. However, I think a lot of people know that they're not going to be murdered on their street, but they're still not willing to raise kids in an era of spiking violent crime.
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