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Should there have been a mandatory evacuation of Houston?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:35 am
I keep hearing conflicting opinions about this.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:36 am to RedRifle
That MIGHT have been feasible with 7 days notice. That is one BIG might.
Not feasible with 48hrs notice.
Not feasible with 48hrs notice.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:36 am to RedRifle
Doesn't matter now.
Gotta deal with the current situation, not Monday-morning QB theoriticals
Gotta deal with the current situation, not Monday-morning QB theoriticals
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:38 am to RedRifle
No. There comes a time when a mass of humanity is too big to move......that is Houston.
Mayor Turner did exactly as he should. Rita proved to be a horrible yet valuable lesson learned.
Mayor Turner did exactly as he should. Rita proved to be a horrible yet valuable lesson learned.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:38 am to RedRifle
Over 100 people died during the evacuation of Rita. I'm sure that was on the mind of those who issue evacuation orders.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:39 am to RedRifle
No.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 8:45 am
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:39 am to Golfer
Charles LSU hit the nail on the head. Mayor Turner did the right thing.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:40 am to RedRifle
The logistics and reality of a mandatory evacuation of the entirety of Houston is an absolute nightmare. It mightve done more harm than good.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:40 am to RedRifle
No... look at all the pictures with huge amounts of water covering the interstates... then imagine if that interstate was solid gridlocked with people trying to get out of the city when the water started to rise.
It would have been an even worse disaster.
It would have been an even worse disaster.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:40 am to crimsonsaint
They should have evacuated areas where flooding would have been likely for any storm and elderly or medically related for sure.
Most people would have stayed with where it went inland.
Most people would have stayed with where it went inland.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:43 am to RedRifle
Someone posted in another thread 2 photos of the same freeway leading out of Houston. One was from 2005 Rita evacuation with the freeway with everyone stuck at a standstill due to all the traffic. The other was from this week with that freeway completely inundated. Imagine how much worse things would've been if those people were stuck in vehicles on the freeway as the water came up.
So, no....they shouldn't have tried to evacuate the entire city. No way to get 6.5 million people out in less than 2 days. The could've evacuated nursing homes and the most flood prone areas, but thats about it.
So, no....they shouldn't have tried to evacuate the entire city. No way to get 6.5 million people out in less than 2 days. The could've evacuated nursing homes and the most flood prone areas, but thats about it.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:47 am to RedRifle
Nah. Except for those poor old people at the nursing home. The owners of that place should be put in jail.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:53 am to magildachunks
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Gotta deal with the current situation, not Monday-morning QB theoretical
This x 1,000,000
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:58 am to RedRifle
Sure. Kill another 107 people just like Rita.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:00 am to RedRifle
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I keep hearing conflicting opinions about this.
And this thread won't clear anything up.
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Should there have been a mandatory evacuation of Houston?
No.....they can recommend people leave but people are going to stay no matter what's headed their direction.....and I completely understand.
People shouldn't need the Government to tell them to leave if trouble (weather wise) is coming.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:00 am to RedRifle
How in the hell do you evacuate 2.5 million people?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:02 am to Brazos
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How in the hell do you evacuate 2.5 million people?
The wheels on the big arse bus go round and round
Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:04 am to RedRifle
The mayor was technically correct but his message resonated as "stay at home, everything will be ok" which isn't right either.
It still would have been technically better to drop the population of the city to as low as feasible with the 2 days they had, so maybe a "voluntary evactuation" would have been better than the shelter in place at t-48 hours. Knowing of course the vast majority of people will stay in place during a voluntary evac.
The problem is if you get much outside of Houston the freeways will drop to 2 lanes each direction. If you don't contraflow the capacity then to evacuate Houston to the East and North (West to be assumed blocked off) is only 71,000 cars/day to the East and 71,000 cars/day to the North. Averaging 2 people per vehicle that is only ~560k people you can get out of town. Maybe double that to account for back roads (e.g. 190 to the East), but you'd struggle to move more than 20% of the population in 2 days with the road to San Antonio blocked off and the Houston - Austin stretch not actually having an interstate between the two.
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Maybe the message should have been something as follows
"We are likely to have heavy flooding in Houston, peoples lives will be impacted but with some precautions you are likely to be safe if you stay here, if you are of able body it is more dangerous to be in a vehicle than your house during a major flooding event.
But, if you have a place to stay in Louisiana, North Texas, or somewhere to the East or North of us, and the roads are clear you should pack up and go within the next day or so. Reducing the number of people in this city will help reduce the strain on the infrastructure. You can check Google maps or Waze for traffic. We do not advise leaving your home if a road looks to be high traffic on Google maps due to what happened in Rita"
It still would have been technically better to drop the population of the city to as low as feasible with the 2 days they had, so maybe a "voluntary evactuation" would have been better than the shelter in place at t-48 hours. Knowing of course the vast majority of people will stay in place during a voluntary evac.
The problem is if you get much outside of Houston the freeways will drop to 2 lanes each direction. If you don't contraflow the capacity then to evacuate Houston to the East and North (West to be assumed blocked off) is only 71,000 cars/day to the East and 71,000 cars/day to the North. Averaging 2 people per vehicle that is only ~560k people you can get out of town. Maybe double that to account for back roads (e.g. 190 to the East), but you'd struggle to move more than 20% of the population in 2 days with the road to San Antonio blocked off and the Houston - Austin stretch not actually having an interstate between the two.
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Maybe the message should have been something as follows
"We are likely to have heavy flooding in Houston, peoples lives will be impacted but with some precautions you are likely to be safe if you stay here, if you are of able body it is more dangerous to be in a vehicle than your house during a major flooding event.
But, if you have a place to stay in Louisiana, North Texas, or somewhere to the East or North of us, and the roads are clear you should pack up and go within the next day or so. Reducing the number of people in this city will help reduce the strain on the infrastructure. You can check Google maps or Waze for traffic. We do not advise leaving your home if a road looks to be high traffic on Google maps due to what happened in Rita"
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