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re: Russian Court Upholds Brittney Griner’s 9-Year Sentence
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:25 am to WDE24
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:25 am to WDE24
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I haven’t blamed anyone but Griner. It’s ok to acknowledge a harsh punishment without removing blame from Griner and without expecting the government to intervene.
How have you determined that it is harsh? Comparing it to the coddling in the US? Let me be really clear, I am genuinely interested in this issue and your thoughts on it. What makes it harsh?
What is the appropriate punishment for a foreigner smuggling drugs into a country?
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:29 am
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Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:25 am to c on z
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He has since then acknowledged that Trump’s involvement in that assault case made that process worse.
what case hes not in sweden you clown 
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:27 am to WDE24
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I haven’t blamed anyone but Griner. It’s ok to acknowledge a harsh punishment without removing blame from Griner and without expecting the government to intervene.
Then go to Russia and run for office and change the laws
What do you want us to do about it. We have exactly zero say in it.
It seems to follow their sentencing guidlines just fine. Its not some extrajudicial punishment.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:29 am to nitwit
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What a surprise.
The same lineup of posters find little sympathy for the victims of judicial excess when the victim is black. Here, black, gay and a woman, so they have a trifecta.
Do so much as investigate or subpoena any white male from the Trump administration and the whole federal judicial system must be burned to the ground...
Once again black people shouldn't be accountable for their actions. How refreshing.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:31 am to upgrayedd
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Once again black people shouldn't be accountable for their actions. How refreshing.
Perhaps that person thinks they are simply not capable of following laws because of genetics?
Only thing that makes sense
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:31 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:32 am to therick711
quote:Just based on my view of the crime. Possessing a small amount of hashish oil for personal use isn’t violent and is, in many ways, victimless. Sure arguments can be made about victims of the broader drug trade, but my own sensibilities leads me to believe 9 years in a Russian prison is pretty harsh for a relatively petty crime. It doesn’t mean I think she was treated unfairly, as the law was on the books and she took that risk by breaking the law.
How have you determined that it is harsh?
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:36 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:33 am to WDE24
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I haven’t blamed anyone but Griner.
Did she know the law?
Most socially cognizant people realize Russia has VERY strict drug laws and associated penalties, and don't go there with illegal substances. You know, responsible.
This is 100% on her, she's not getting singled out. The penalty for her is no worse than for others. Its strict compared to us, its not strict there.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I have no idea and it doesn’t really matter. It’s her responsibility to know it.
Did she know the law?
quote:I agree.
Most socially cognizant people realize Russia has VERY strict drug laws and associated penalties, and don't go there with illegal substances. You know, responsible. This is 100% on her, she's not getting singled out.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:35 am to QJenk
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Russia is a shithole country.
Absolutely, which makes what she did even more stupid.
She's not allowed special treatment, which is what she wants.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:36 am to WDE24
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Just based on my view of the crime. Possessing a small amount of hashish oil for personal use isn’t violent and is, in many ways, victimless. Sure arguments can be made about victims of the broader drug trade, but my own sensibilities leads me to believe 9 years in a Russian prison is pretty harsh for a relatively petty crime. It doesn’t mean I think she was treated unfairly, as the law was on the books and she took that risk by breaking the law.
I don't require the moralizing hedge at the end, but thanks just the same. It would seem to me if you don't want drugs being brought into your country a significant penalty for doing so would be a good deterrent. Do you believe in the deterrent function of criminal justice?
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:40 am to therick711
quote:Do I believe in it? I’m not sure what that means.
Do you believe in the deterrent function of criminal justice?
Do I believe there is a deterrent element designed to be a part of the criminal Justice system? Sure.
Can a harsh punishment be a meaningful deterrent? Yes.
Is it ok to acknowledge the punishment as being harsh? I think so. Do you?
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:41 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:40 am to WDE24
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but my own sensibilities leads me to believe 9 years in a Russian prison is pretty harsh for a relatively petty crime.
Even according to Russian law, one gram of cannabis should only result in a fine and labor. She wasn’t even caught with that much.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:41 am to c on z
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Even according to Russian law, one gram of cannabis should only result in a fine and labor. She wasn’t even caught with that much.
Maybe if you are on the street somewhere
But she was transporting it through an airport
Drug trafficking is the term you would use
With a much higher penalty
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:42 am to therick711
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How have you determined that it is harsh?
SJWs say so, therefore he's got to act.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:42 am to WDE24
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Is it ok to acknowledge the punishment as being harsh? I think so. Do you?
To answer straightaway, I don't think its harsh if the country's goal is to have zero drugs smuggled into its interior. I also don't think it is relevant to the issue at hand. The penalty is proscribed by Russian law. What is the relevance of American sensibilities to Russian drug policy?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:43 am to Caraway Rye
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But she was transporting it through an airport
She's a moron of the highest order.
Good thing she's not reproducing.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:45 am to therick711
quote:Yes you do. You just backed yourself into a corner. If the goal is to have zero drugs and they are committed to it, then a harsh punishment is required for the deterrent effect you described. No need to talk out both sides of your mouth.
To answer straightaway, I don't think its harsh if the country's goal is to have zero drugs smuggled into its interior.
quote:What issue is at hand, in your opinion? We probably agree here.
I also don't think it is relevant to the issue at hand.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:46 am to BU Bear In BR
Im sure this is all Trump's fault somehow.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:48 am to WDE24
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Yes you do. You just backed yourself into a corner. If the goal is to have zero drugs and they are committed to it, then the harshness of the punishment is required for the deterrent effect you described. No need to talk out both sides of your mouth.
No, that's silly. It isn't relevant what I think of the penalty. I was simply interested in what makes you think it is "harsh" and why or whether a "harsh" penalty is a good or bad idea.
I asked you if you believed that there is a deterrent component to criminal justice. You claimed to not understand what that means. There is a small and loud minority in the US that does not think there is a deterrent component.
A discussion doesn't mean an argument.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:50 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:52 am to therick711
quote:no, you asked if I believed in it not if I believed it was a thing. I re-asked and answered the second question. I thought that’s what you meant, but wanted to be sure.
I asked you if you believed that there is a deterrent component to criminal justice. You claimed to not under stand what that means.
quote:Agreed, yet several posters here ignored everything I posted in this thread except the fact that it was my opinion that the punishment was harsh. Of course that opinion is held by probably everyone in this thread if applied in the abstract and not against a politicized backdrop.
A discussion doesn't mean an argument.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:53 am
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