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Research papers...are they not all just one big quote from other sources?

Posted on 9/8/18 at 10:59 am
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
12266 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 10:59 am
It used to aggravate the crap out of me while in undergrad and grad school that you would have to do a research paper in any given class and watchout for the gotcha game of plagiarism.

My theory being that essentially all said research paper is or was me going on the scavenger hunt of locating the material that is already written on the topic and then breaking up the information into partial quotes and citing the already done research.

Example: so and so and so “ blah blah blah blah.” So and so. Cite source

Any one else think this to be a waste of time?

at least just tell the student we want you to go find the research on the scavenger hunt and quote than cite the source under your own name.
This post was edited on 9/8/18 at 11:04 am
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:03 am to
I know my papers were not. All citations were there to support my thesis statement. Never really had issues with turnitin with my papers. Maybe had to change up things once or twice but that was it.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:04 am to
Seems like someone is struggling
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
12266 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:06 am to
So you are saying that you your undergrad and grad papers were an original thought of your own that no one had ever written on? I find that hard to believe.

At this point the topics are all already written on.


Only if you were going for your doctorate and you have to write an original paper would this be the case.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
12266 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:08 am to
Nah been out for years also have my JD. Even in my practice now, briefs are simply citing case law and intertwining them with the facts of your case.

Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:10 am to
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Research papers...are they not all just one big quote from other sources?


Not if they are done by a competent researcher. How the frick do you think new information gets disseminated? You must not work in a STEM field.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34329 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:11 am to
The "research papers" you write in college are, yes. Although you should provide some of your own original synthesis of and/or commentary on the material, the papers are largely drawn from things other people have written.

Real research papers -- as in the ones that scientists and social scientists write -- report empirical results from an original study. Thus, real research papers contribute some form of new knowledge, however small that contribution may be.
This post was edited on 9/8/18 at 11:12 am
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:12 am to
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At this point the topics are all already written on.


New ground is broken every day in the Science and technology fields. If done in academia (not industry) it is usually captured reported and disseminated in RESEARCH PAPERS (with accompanying Scientific Journal articles). Then that info is usually presented at conferences of appropriate SMEs.

It's invaluable.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34329 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Any one else think this to be a waste of time?


Also, it is not a waste of time because writing these papers develops your ability to understand, synthesize, and analyze existing ideas. These are skills that every college graduate should have, regardless of your major.
Posted by Morty
Member since Feb 2018
2252 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:14 am to
Unless you do original research, then basically you are tasked with stating and supporting an opinion.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34329 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:14 am to
quote:

Even in my practice now, briefs are simply citing case law and intertwining them with the facts of your case.


So ... you use this skill then, and it was not a waste of time for you to learn it. Glad that's settled.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:16 am to
quote:

So you are saying that you your undergrad and grad papers were an original thought of your own that no one had ever written on? I find that hard to believe.


No, just saying I never had an issue worrying about plagiarizing.

I got my BSN all online(took me around 18 months). I wrote papers pretty much once a week or every other week.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
21073 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:18 am to
quote:

Any one else think this to be a waste of time?



Only to those students who are too obtuse to see the skills developed and put into practice through undergraduate research papers.

Plumbing is certainly respectable work. Welding too. Maybe you should go that route.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:20 am to
Depending on the subject, a research paper can be mostly quotes and your interpretation of those findings. Colleges don't expect you to reinvent the wheel on many of these topics. Theyre testing whether you can find the information that's already out there, and whether you understand what that information means.
Posted by Morty
Member since Feb 2018
2252 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:21 am to
Is BSN a nursing degree? Doesnt seem like papers a big part of this degree
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
21073 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:23 am to
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Unless you do original research, then basically you are tasked with stating and supporting an opinion.



It more so teaches students how to conduct inquiry into an exigent topic. It's about identifying the genre conventions of a discourse community and putting together a sophisticated argument that should push the conversation forward.

Kenneth Burke used this metaphor to explain academic arguments:

quote:

Imagine that you enter a parlor. You come late. When you arrive, others have long preceded you, and they are engaged in a heated discussion, a discussion too heated for them to pause and tell you exactly what it is about. In fact, the discussion had already begun long before any of them got there, so that no one present is qualified to retrace for you all the steps that had gone before. You listen for a while, until you decide that you have caught the tenor of the argument; then you put in your oar. Someone answers; you answer him; another comes to your defense; another aligns himself against you, to either the embarrassment or gratification of your opponent, depending upon the quality of your ally's assistance. However, the discussion is interminable. The hour grows late, you must depart. And you do depart, with the discussion still vigorously in progress.


While undergraduates are mostly only practicing, that practice develops skills that can contribute to their majors, graduate school work, and in professionalizing in their field. College is not supposed to be job training, and the research paper is a necessary activity for activating higher order thinking skills.

Now if you want to argue that traditional essay form (pure prose, citation style guide with works cited page) is outdated, I'm all ears. Multimodal compositions probably should dominate the work that college students are doing.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:25 am to
quote:

Is BSN a nursing degree?


Yes it is. I already had a nursing diploma and passed my NCLEX back in 2001...so I had been an RN all that time. You don't have to have a BSN to work as a nurse...but many hospitals prefer it. Some will only hire nurses with a BSN.


So...for me...I already had all the clinical experience needed for the BSN. I could do an online only program for all the nursing theory. This program had no tests or quizzes at all(which was nice). Instead...you had to write a ton of papers and be very responsive on the message boards for your class.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:27 am to
quote:


Real research papers -- as in the ones that scientists and social scientists write -- report empirical results from an original study. Thus, real research papers contribute some form of new knowledge, however small that contribution may be.


Hell, quite a few published papers I've read recently are just a meta-analysis of other studies.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34329 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 11:28 am to
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Hell, quite a few published papers I've read recently are just a meta-analysis of other studies.



Meta-analysis is an original contribution, though.
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