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re: Report: Apple can bypass the lockscreen on iphone5c to comply with FBI
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:34 pm to colorchangintiger
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:34 pm to colorchangintiger
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YOU'RE ALL TERRORISTS.
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:38 pm to SSpaniel
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Terrorists certainly shouldn't... especially dead ones.
Constitution don't protect no terrorists, in fact it specifically defines who and what is a terrorist. That definition will never change and I for one am glad that the government will always look out for my best interests.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:40 pm to steeltiger17
Der no shite. I said as much in another thread earlier.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:44 pm to FalseProphet
Perhaps the feds should not have allowed the piss access to the damn apartment just after all of this went down.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:48 pm to SSpaniel
There is already no public facing system that says who is and who is not on the no fly list. They can put whomever they want on there without due process.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:56 pm to steeltiger17
I think that the government can already 100% view and track everything on an iPhone but they don't want the public to know this so they are making a big deal out of this.
Its pretty smart if you think about it, it lulls terrorists and other into a safe sense of security by thinking they are protected with an iPhone and of course Apple won't mind because everyone will want to purchase their phones.
Its pretty smart if you think about it, it lulls terrorists and other into a safe sense of security by thinking they are protected with an iPhone and of course Apple won't mind because everyone will want to purchase their phones.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:56 pm to colorchangintiger
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There is already no public facing system that says who is and who is not on the no fly list. They can put whomever they want on there without due process.
But this guy is:
A) Already dead
B) A terrorist
C) Killed however many people... I can't remember.
Why on earth anyone would be against this, I have no idea. HE'S DEAD. HE'S A PIECE OF shite TERRORIST.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:59 pm to lsu480
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I think that the government can already 100% view and track everything on an iPhone
glad i'm team Android...
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:05 pm to SSpaniel
If you are willing to disregard the constitution in pesky, one-off situations then you deserve none of the protections it affords you.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:14 pm to AnonymousTiger
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If you are willing to disregard the constitution in pesky, one-off situations then you deserve none of the protections it affords you.
Perhaps you are right and I'm... well.... not. But it sure does feel good to say "HE'S A TERRORIST, SCREW HIM". SO there's that.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:17 pm to FalseProphet
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This is a Court telling a private company to disable the a security system so they can bust down the door
Idk
I think the court can view this as a similar situation of a phone company or bank to providing private statements about an individual when a warrant has been issued
We have to wait for the courts to decide
On Another note the slippery slope argument is retarded. It allows no adaptation of the law to situations of innovation.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:18 pm to SSpaniel
Well, at least you're acknowledging that you're using your emotions instead of rational thought.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:24 pm to lsu480
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I think that the government can already 100% view and track everything on an iPhone but they don't want the public to know this so they are making a big deal out of this.
You think that the richest publicly traded company in the world, which has staked its reputation on privacy and security, allows the product that accounts for 62% of their business to be completely pwned by the government and are cool with it? I can't even begin to jump through the mental hoops to reach that conclusion.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:26 pm to Hockamaw
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Maybe that's their argument, but it doesn't matter. There is a court order. Apple has to comply, or they are in contempt.
I don't understand what this has to do with anything at all. The argument isn't about whether or not disobeying a court order equals contempt. We all know that it does. The argument also isn't about the government forcing Apple to unlock a phone. It's about what would have to happen for the phone to be unlocked. The FBI is demanding that Apple develop technology that does not currently exist. Technology that would undermine the security of their products and the integrity of their brand. If this technology already existed, then sure, unlock the phone. But the firmware needed doesn't, and demanding that it be created is an overstep. What if they demanded that Wells Fargo build back doors into all of their vaults for "government use only?"
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:32 pm to lsu480
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I think that the government can already 100% view and track everything on an iPhone but they don't want the public to know this so they are making a big deal out of this.
Its pretty smart if you think about it, it lulls terrorists and other into a safe sense of security by thinking they are protected with an iPhone and of course Apple won't mind because everyone will want to purchase their phones.
How much weed have you smoked today?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:33 pm to CaptSpaulding
Bingo.. I guess no one cares about big brother invading your protections. This would only open up Pandora's box. Not to mention, the threat of hackers taking over this software.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:43 pm to White Roach
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There's nothing of relevance on that phone
Well then, case closed Matlock.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:52 pm to CaptSpaulding
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But the firmware needed doesn't,
That's not true. what the FBI needs is apple signature that allows them to install there own modified firmware if they wanted
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As many jailbreakers are familiar, firmware can be loaded via Device Firmware Upgrade (DFU) Mode. Once an iPhone enters DFU mode, it will accept a new firmware image over a USB cable. Before any firmware image is loaded by an iPhone, the device first checks whether the firmware has a valid signature from Apple. This signature check is why the FBI cannot load new software onto an iPhone on their own — the FBI does not have the secret keys that Apple uses to sign firmware
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In these older devices, there are still caveats and a customized version of iOS will not immediately yield access to the phone passcode. Devices with A6 processors, such as the iPhone 5C, also contain a hardware key that cannot ever be read and also “tangle” this hardware key with the phone passcode. However, there is nothing stopping iOS from querying this hardware key as fast as it can. Without the Secure Enclave to play gatekeeper, this means iOS can guess one passcode every 80ms.
And apple themselves have installed modified firmware before when asked.
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Apple has allegedly cooperated with law enforcement in the past by using a custom firmware image that bypassed the passcode lock screen. This simple UI hack was sufficient in earlier versions of iOS since most files were unencrypted.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:54 pm to colorchangintiger
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You think that the richest publicly traded company in the world, which has staked its reputation on privacy and security, allows the product that accounts for 62% of their business to be completely pwned by the government and are cool with it? I can't even begin to jump through the mental hoops to reach that conclusion.
I think the NSA can pretty much spy on anyone they want to, if you don't believe they can that is up to you.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:05 pm to jeff5891
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That's not true. what the FBI needs is apple signature that allows them to install there own modified firmware if they wanted
That's not what Apple is saying.
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We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.
Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.
The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.
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