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re: Religious scholars, etc.

Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:58 am to
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:58 am to
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You dumbass. Do you honestly expect the OT Bible thumpers not to hijack this thread? What you are asking for is impossible.


This thread is more of a philosophical question of parallels vs a religious thread that proselytizes / preaches. It may seem like a big ask for civility here, but nobody should be really offended by this query as it doesn't challenge the correctness of any one view. The OP just wants to know if a certain thread of thought exists.

To the OP: Though I'm not well versed on the topic, and am a Christian, I have dabbled in Eastern thought. And about 5-10 years ago, I did read the Bhagavad Gita, which is a Hindu scriptural story. As I remember it, it's basically a dialog between Arjun (a guy on the edge of a battlefield) and Krishna (a sort of divine / semi-divine figure, which has parallels to being Arjun's higher soul as well as a form of higher, archetypal man-- somewhat akin to Christ). The battlefield is arguably a metaphor for life on earth.

To your point, I remember a part where the book explicitly says there is one true god above all. My memory is a bit foggy on the details and I may get this next part wrong (if so, I welcome anyone with better familiarity with the text to correct me), but think I remember Krishna speaking to the point that people who devote themselves to other specific/lower deities may advance in some ways to what might be described as a lower level of heaven. But those who are devoted to the highest God ascend higher.

If I am remembering this correctly, this is a direct acknowledgement of one God over all in the Hindu faith. As to why Hindus then appear to pray mostly to lower Gods, I guess (and I stress the word guess) that it is somewhat of a parallel to how many Christians might pray to the Holy Mother (or to saints in specific capacities) to intercede for them and amplify their intent to God. Christians can always pray to Jesus/God for anything, but if one has money problems or needs a specific type of protection, specific saints-- or perhaps Archangel Michael-- can (for some flavors of Christianity) be considered to resonate with the solution to that problem in a way that Hindus might look to Ganesh for help with money, or whatever other deity for another issue. It's a way of focusing prayer for day to day issues. But it is implied that aiming higher (to the One God above all) is better-- just more abstract.

As to the idea of levels of heaven that I alluded to in the Bhagavad Gita, I'm not sure, but both in Judaism and Christianity, there is said to be a hierarchy of angels:
Wikipedia
This brings up interesting questions in a Christian context. If there are levels of being to angels (and even Jesus obliquely alludes to this when he suggests that John the Baptist is greatest among men, but not so much in heaven), and there are other brief allusions to certain angels being specifically in the presence of God, then there is an implication of level of being / station being an indicator of how proximate an angel, saint, or soul of a regular person/Christian might ever be to the fullness of God's presence. Whether this implies place or state of mind, it-- as well as the notion of a hierarchy of angels-- does imply levels.

Again, I'm a Christian. Personally, I find comfort in seeing parallels in other religions, and it doesn't diminish my own faith; I believe it strengthens it. This, though, should not be read as support for nor condemnation of Hinduism as a practice. I'm too much of an outsider to judge where I think it may be specifically lead towards or away from virtue, so will refrain from summary judgment lest I be judged.
Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:53 am to
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Where do the Moroni fit into all this?


Moroni was an angel named in the Book of Mormon (an additional book of scripture that Mormons believe was added). Mormons are neither Protestants or Catholics, per se. They consider themselves to be a restored version of the true church, based on modern day revelations through Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other prophets. They believe the other churches had fallen away from the original teachings over the centuries. Hence, the multitude of churches teaching different interpretations of scriptures. Mormons are very specific on their interpretations on what is meant by Old Testament, New Testament, and Book of Mormon scriptures, since they believe they have the guidance of a current prophet. There's not nearly as much individual interpretations of scriptures compared to other churches. That's as I understand it, which is pretty close, I think.
Posted by TheDude321
Member since Sep 2005
3246 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:26 pm to
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Anyway, what can anyone share about Hinduism being or not being monotheistic. How is this “monotheism” different than Zeus being the “god of gods”.


Hinduism has so many adherents (hundreds of millions) that some practitioners will definitely describe the religion differently than others. So, yes, many will say that they worship only one god but “different aspects of Him” and that non-Hindus are incorrectly assuming that the “different aspects” are actually separate gods.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33408 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:41 pm to
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How is this “monotheism” different than Zeus being the “god of gods”.

Its not. You have to look at religion like you do evolution. From one, came many. Evolution had its origin story, so does religion

As man supposedly traversed through the evolutionary cycle he became multi-colored, of varying heights and weights, freckled, wavy, curly or straight haired etc. Yet they all trace their origins to a single 'man'

Same with religion

If you believe in an origin story, then you have to accept that the first created had a singular method of worship. As men traversed across the globe their religion became effected by geography, culture, food supply, disaster, war, vanity, power, language, etc

So a belief system based on one creative God diverges into multiple, almost unrecognizable sects, including paganism. The Mormon Church is perfect recent example. As is Islam

Two religions, directly linked to Judaism, that were created out of whole cloth by dreams of 2 separate men. Now extrapolate that back 10,000 or more years. Martin Luther led an offshoot from the 'universal church', and from his move, multiple more offshoots

Like evolution, religion is based on a single origin. Thus a monotheistic beginning, diverging with the passing of time
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