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Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:14 am to EST
You gonna have that
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:14 am to LeauxCountryTigah
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But seriously...is it that much crazier than believing that a Jewish zombie that is actually his own father and can make you live forever in a place of perfection if you spend Sundays symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood while you telepathically tell him that he is your master and you adore him so that he can remove an evil force from you that was placed there because a woman made from a rib bone and dirt was tricked into eating fruit from a magical tree by a talking snake. These nut jobs have plenty of their own universities as well.
You seem awfully triggered by other people's belief systems.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:20 am to LeauxCountryTigah
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Not hostile at all...
Fine. Emotional.
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Anyone is free to disagree with me, but you made a claim of fact regarding something you can not possibly know to be true or untrue as a defense of your position.
Well, of course, there could be a few hiding away somewhere, but yes, after a lifetime, in and around the church, I can say with confidence that polygamy is pretty much unheard of in the modern church. I can possibly know that. It's your choice whether to believe it or not. Engaging in polygamy is the fastest way to be excommunicated.
And I'm not shy about the topic of polygamy. All of my great grandparents practiced it. I have nothing to hide in that regard.
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Attack away sir! There is not one single position I hold within this incredible brain that I can not provide verifiable support of said position.
Please provide quotes to support your assertion that the Book of Mormon teaches that you must have two wives to reach higher levels of heaven.
I'm also curious about that can't swim in rivers or lakes business. Maybe you can find some obscure teaching on it but it's something I've never heard of or heard taught in my life.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:21 am to EST
People are products of their time, and everyone is a hypocrite. Just because Hitler was Hitler doesn't mean we should abandon our interstate system modeled off the German Autoban, or the Volkswagen beetle.
Life is a balance; take the good with the bad. Thanks for laying the foundation for a good college with good people, but we'll let you keep your pro-slavery ideas in the past, Mr. Young.
Life is a balance; take the good with the bad. Thanks for laying the foundation for a good college with good people, but we'll let you keep your pro-slavery ideas in the past, Mr. Young.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:29 am to Scruffy
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99% of these photos are made up.
As if that matters
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:51 am to LeauxCountryTigah
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This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 12:09 pm to northshorebamaman
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Attack away sir! There is not one single position I hold within this incredible brain that I can not provide verifiable support of said position.
Since you haven't returned I'm assuming that you discovered what the BoM actually says regarding polygamy:
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Jacob 1:15 And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son.
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Jacob 2:24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
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Jacob 2:27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none.
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Mosiah 11:2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but ... he had many wives and concubines.
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Ether 10:5 Riplakish did not do that which was right in the sight of the Lord, for he did have many wives and concubines.
Polygamy was not a popular policy which is why Joseph Smith practiced it in secret. Even Brigham Young was initially reluctant and it took Joseph Smith several months to convince him. Although once Brigham was in, he was all in with 60 wives. At its height, it was practiced by about a quarter of Mormons.
I can't find anything on not swimming in lakes or streams.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 12:13 pm to gingerkittie
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Ok, that was a pretty brilliant and funny summary.
And riddled with inaccuracies.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 12:36 pm to northshorebamaman
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Please provide quotes to support your assertion that the Book of Mormon teaches that you must have two wives to reach higher levels of heaven.
D&C 132:1-4 Coppy of original text
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—
2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.
3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
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I'm also curious about that can't swim in rivers or lakes business.
D&C 61:13-19
13 And now, behold, for your good I gave unto you a commandment concerning these things; and I, the Lord, will reason with you as with men in days of old.
14 Behold, I, the Lord, in the beginning blessed the waters; but in the last days, by the mouth of my servant John, I cursed the waters.
15 Wherefore, the days will come that no flesh shall be safe upon the waters.
16 And it shall be said in days to come that none is able to go up to the land of Zion upon the waters, but he that is upright in heart.
17 And, as I, the Lord, in the beginning cursed the land, even so in the last days have I blessed it, in its time, for the use of my saints, that they may partake the fatness thereof.
18 And now I give unto you a commandment that what I say unto one I say unto all, that you shall forewarn your brethren concerning these waters, that they come not in journeying upon them, lest their faith fail and they are caught in snares;
19 I, the Lord, have decreed, and the destroyer rideth upon the face thereof, and I revoke not the decree.
Straight from the doctrines and covenants sir, you better get busy finding some mormon floosies if you want to make that trip to Kolob.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 12:45 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
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Straight from the doctrines and covenants sir,
That's great but you realize D&C is not the Book of Mormon, right? You claimed that the BoM says you must have two wives to enter higher levels of heaven. I'm still waiting to see that but nice try.
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you better get busy finding some mormon floosies if you want to make that trip to Kolob.
Meh, I'm an atheist-leaning agnostic, at best. Just gonna get cremated, but thanks.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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That's great but you realize D&C is not the Book of Mormon
Oh my gosh...I accidentally said the wrong book name of mormon teachings. Since this is in the doctrines & covenants of the LDS church which is said to be the word of god straight from the horses mouth prophet Joey Smith, it obviously has no bearing on mormon beliefs. I have seen how that works in every religion...pick and choose the portions that you want to believe in when they suit you. I am simply pointing out how laughable it all is and you want to argue semantics.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:07 pm to gingerkittie
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Ok, that was a pretty brilliant and funny summary.
Thank you kindly ginger! An appropriate summary I felt
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Any thoughts on the Quakers and their beliefs?
Sorry, not all that well-informed on the quakers. My study has been in world religions historically and quakers were just a blip. But you peaked my interest and I will definitely do a little research.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:08 pm to northshorebamaman
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:19 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
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Oh my gosh...I accidentally said the wrong book name of mormon teachings. Since this is in the doctrines & covenants of the LDS church which is said to be the word of god straight from the horses mouth prophet Joey Smith, it obviously has no bearing on mormon beliefs. I have seen how that works in every religion...pick and choose the portions that you want to believe in when they suit you. I am simply pointing out how laughable it all is and you want to argue semantics.
If you'll recall, I referred to the objection as "low hanging fruit" and decided against arguing against it. In response, you touted your "incredible brain" and claimed that you could back up every single word with facts. Now that you've been shown lacking you fall back on the old "semantics" excuse. Sad.
As far as the lakes and streams claim, it looks like it's exactly what I predicted it would be. An obscure passage that isn't practiced or widely taught. Almost all religious texts contain passages that aren't observed. Congrats on finding one but you came into the thread framing it as some common practice. Maybe some fundy cult in the desert follows that but in 40 years I've never seen it in the mainstream church.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:31 pm to gingerkittie
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Time to recognize the "fun" in fundamentalist. ( Note that we ought to also recognize that "mental" in fundamentalists as well).
The official position of the LDS church is that there is no such thing as a "Mormon fundamentalist".
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:54 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 2:02 pm
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