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re: Power + Prejudice + Action = Racism

Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:51 pm to
You just posted a story based off the first line in the article and in which the rest of the article, one that would probably explain some of it is hidden behind a wall.

You have to sign in or subscribe to see the rest. Did you literally just state that you are a journalism graduate and then do this?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:51 pm to
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hogminer
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Better yet tell me that you are barren and are unfortunate enough to not be able to bear offspring.



no need to be a complete arse.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:53 pm to
"similar crimes"
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:54 pm to
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admit I've come from a privileged background,

You're white, I assume
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:59 pm to
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Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.


I've seen this stat. Haven't read up on it for the details. It certainly doesn't match my experience of practicing law in Louisiana. What is true is that blacks usually have longer rap sheets which hits them with sentencing. And I do agree that sentencing for non violent offenders needs to be reexamined--but for ALL races.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:11 pm to
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Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

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What is true is that blacks usually have longer rap sheets which hits them with sentencing.

A journalist SHOULD do their homework in order to get all the facts pertinent to the issue.

Sadly, in this world today research doesn't exist past the point that they want to make.

Once again experience would go a long way on understanding the real world of the working man.

Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:15 pm to
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What is true is that blacks usually have longer rap sheets which hits them with sentencing.


kind of makes the whole...

quote:

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.


meaningless. It is comparing apples to oranges. You mean a longer rap sheet might get you a stiffer sentence? Seems racist to me
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83052 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:18 pm to
Maybe that study accounts for rap sheets. I would imagine it would. I can't really agree or disagree with it. It's not what I've seen in Louisiana state courts is all I can say. Probably the crux of it is blacks are more likely to need a public defender. Public defenders are usually competent and very experienced but they're also often overwhelmed with case loads.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:25 pm to
I thought that statement was from the article

I just can't see a study being done that compares everything in order for them to make the statement blacks get longer sentences. to me you would have to do the study based on set criteria

The judge
Rap sheets are identical
Parish/county is the same
circumstances of the crime are the same
Public defender or criminal defense attorney

so many variables that I don't think it is even possible to do a fair study
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20601 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:32 pm to
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Probably the crux of it is blacks are more likely to need a public defender.

My DIL is one. I don't know how competent. Most cases are plead down. She is never overloaded. Most of her cases are blacks but her territory is mostly black people. A lot of her clients have pryors. One had to be moved to a jail farther away. It's highly suspected he had a witness killed.

Her experiences go a long way toward my thoughts concerning Black people and jail time. Another source is:
LINK
3rd to last column keeping in mind census. only 13% of the population is black.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:35 pm to
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Public defender or criminal defense attorney

HEY, WATCH IT BUDDY. ....

I said my DIL is public defender but that is her part time job. Her full time job handles the everyday cases other lawyers do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:39 pm to
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Racism = Power + Prejudice + Action

this is the common contemporary progressive definition

i was actually thinking of making a thread on the poli board about it. if this is "racism" then we need a new term for what formerly was "racism", or just an expansion of bias/prejudice
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 2:40 pm
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:42 pm to
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no need to be a complete arse.


Thanks.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69493 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:55 pm to
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I said my DIL is public defender but that is her part time job. Her full time job handles the everyday cases other lawyers do.




I never thought that would be the case
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 3:48 pm to
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It is a fact that blacks serve longer sentences than whites do for the same crimes.




Its also a fact that blacks have a much longer rap sheet than whites on average. Repeat offenders get longer sentences.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 3:50 pm to
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yoga girl


Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 3:54 pm to
Are you outraged that men serve something like 60% longer prison sentences than women? I'm guessing not.
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
10255 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 4:34 pm to
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no need to be a complete arse.


You are right. That was a little harsh and insensitive. My apologies to Heather.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 4:37 pm to
I hope you don't lose your job.
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