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re: Placing blame on inanimate objects versus getting to the root of the problem
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:22 am to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:22 am to Chucktown_Badger
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You need to watch a few episodes of intervention. With them illegal we still have an opioid crisis of epic proportions. I shudder to think what would happen if they were legal.
Well, can you tell me how the war on drugs is going right now? Seems to me like it’s a huge waste of money because it’s not stopping a single person. I’m not an advocate of people abusing narcotics, but I’m also practical. I don’t think that if they lifted the drug laws that the entire country would magically end up with a needle sticking out of their arm. I also don’t think throwing all the junkies in jail are doing much good, either. People addicted to drugs need to get some help, not locked away. I don’t know how addicts in jail are treated, maybe they have people that are there to treat addicts in prison, but I don’t know. I do know that locking these people up isn’t helping much.
That’s not what the topic at hand is about, though.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:27 am
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:23 am to Ice Cold
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Oh, we're trying to interpret what the authors of the Second Amendment meant? Or are we just concerned about the words themselves? I can't keep up with the rationalizations.
Conservatives want strict constitutionalists on the supreme Court, but not when it comes to the 2nd amendment.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:26 am to LCA131
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You don't KNOW that. It is you're impression, just as it is mine that they do have some effect.
Well since video games are more realistic than ever and sell millions of copies, yet mass shooting casualties haven't dramatically increased and in fact have lowered on average since the 1990s, I tend to think they have no effect.
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You don't know what effect I think they have but regardless, millions smoke cigarettes and not all get cancer so cigs are ok?
Huh? We have scientific evidence showing smoking can lead to cancer. There is zero evidence showing violent movies and video games cause these shootings.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:26 am to RealityTiger
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it's a line placed over a graph that has absolutely zero to do with what the real trend of the graph is doing. It's just there to reinforce what the narrator wants the graph to say.
Please inform us of what a "real trend" is? Is it whatever you come up with in your head?
Once again, you don't understand what a trend line is. Just because things go up and down doesn't mean there is no trend "a straight line." The line is a mathematical calculation, but keep denying the facts if you like. You can plug the numbers into excel if you like and create a graph yourself and get the same results. It may not be a stark downward trend but it certainly isn't an upward trend over the time period TH03 was referencing.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:27 am to LCA131
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Yes or no, do you think that these types of video games have zero negative effects on impressionable minds?
You make your video game argument as if video games only exist in America. Video games, violent movies, etc are prevalent in many, many other countries, especially in Asia. South Korea for instance blows us out of the water when it comes to video game usage per capita. Even Germany, Japan, and China. Wanna comparing mass killings via guns between the SK, Germany, or Japan and the US? Or mass killings of any kind? You ever watch Japanese or Korea horror movies? How does Japanese gun violence compare to American gun violence? Could there possibly be something to a account for the discrepancy?
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:30 am to LCA131
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They have zero effect
You don't KNOW that. It is you're impression, just as it is mine that they do have some effect.
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they had the effect y'all think they have, we'd have 10 school shootings a day.
You don't know what effect I think they have but regardless, millions smoke cigarettes and not all get cancer so cigs are ok?
There are actually several studies on this which would help you form an accurate impression.
There has been no connection EVER found between video games and violence, and in many cases, has been shown to be an effective outlet to prevent said shootings...
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:33 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Yikes. You need to watch a few episodes of intervention. With them illegal we still have an opioid crisis of epic proportions. I shudder to think what would happen if they were legal.
And you need to read up on Portugal, the Netherlands, and other places that have legalized narcotics.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:34 am to ToesOnTheNose213
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Yes or no, do you think that these types of video games have zero negative effects on impressionable minds?
You make your video game argument as if video games only exist in America. Video games, violent movies, etc are prevalent in many, many other countries, especially in Asia. South Korea for instance blows us out of the water when it comes to video game usage. Wanna comparing mass killings via guns between the SK and the US? Or mass killings of any kind? You ever watch Japanese or Korea horror movies? How does Japanese gun violence compare to American gun violence? Could there possibly be something to a account for the discrepancy?
This^
Japanese games and movies are often wayyyyy more brutal, violent, and sadistic than American versions, yet they live in a culture of respect and non-violence...
Americans just love to blame others, and take very little self accountability compared to many other cultures.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:38 am to Crowknowsbest
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assault rifle
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:39 am to mylsuhat
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That's what I'm getting at. People fear and argue things that they don't have a clue about
The fact that people fear them is important, though. It doesn't matter if that fear is well-founded or not. That fear creates the perception that the AR-15 is more dangerous, which changes how people react to them and who might want to buy them. Creating that fear is likely more appealing to deranged people, which only exacerbates the fear others have.
This is basically why I wouldn't want one.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:40 am to GeauxOCDP
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This^
Japanese games and movies are often wayyyyy more brutal, violent, and sadistic than American versions, yet they live in a culture of respect and non-violence...
Americans just love to blame others, and take very little self accountability compared to many other cultures.
They do have a high suicide rate though (50% higher than ours last I checked). Things are easier when you have a homogeneous culture.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:41 am to GeauxOCDP
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GeauxOCDP
Why is it happening? Why are these shootings happening? Why are folks lashing out at other people... many or most of whom they do not know?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:41 am to Crowknowsbest
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The fact that people fear them is important, though. It doesn't matter if that fear is well-founded or not. That fear creates the perception that the AR-15 is more dangerous, which changes how people react to them and who might want to buy them. Creating that fear is likely more appealing to deranged people, which only exacerbates the fear others have.
So now we've gotten to the point of the thread where we basically say AR 15s are the pit bulls of the gun world.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:41 am to TH03
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Opiod crisis isn't the fault of having drugs be illegal.
And having them legal would make the crisis better?
Again, the solution doesn't have to be one or the other. It should be comprehensive coming at it from any angle that will improve things.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:43 am to LCA131
This kid was an orphan right? So a broken home, had issues, had gotten expelled by the school so he had anger and resentment, maybe from a sense of abandonment similar to how he may feel about his parents death.
It's a multitude of different issues and it's lazy and disingenuous to say it's movies and video games.
It's a multitude of different issues and it's lazy and disingenuous to say it's movies and video games.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:44 am to TH03
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So now we've gotten to the point of the thread where we basically say AR 15s are the pit bulls of the gun world
Basically, yeah.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:44 am to Chucktown_Badger
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And having them legal would make the crisis better?
I didn't say that.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:45 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Well, can you tell me how the war on drugs is going right now?
Not great.
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Seems to me like it’s a huge waste of money because it’s not stopping a single person.
Agree to disagree. The drugs that don't make it into this country and the people trafficking them that get put away is limiting the effect. In short, if it was a free for all I'm saying the drug epidemic would be much worse.
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People addicted to drugs need to get some help, not locked away.
Agree...they should get help while they're locked away. Potential prison time is likely a deterrent to many who may otherwise indulge.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:46 am to mylsuhat
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That's what I'm getting at. People fear and argue things that they don't have a clue about
Neither the gun nor the magazine are dangerous w/o a deranged person operating them
My two questions were fairly straightforward... you answered neither.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:46 am to TH03
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I didn't say that.
So what were you saying? Making all drugs legal won't improve the crisis and the number of people dying (currently about 115 a day), but it will...do what in your opinion?
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