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re: Placing blame on inanimate objects versus getting to the root of the problem
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:23 pm to Cocotheape
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:23 pm to Cocotheape
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Nope, not based on anywhere else in the western world where gun violence is much lower. Gun control would work if given enough time
Those countries also don’t have the cultural issues the US does. The vast majority of gun violence is still gang related. You think those criminals are going to follow the law?
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 1:27 pm
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:25 pm to Crowknowsbest
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That's exactly what I mean. Your standard hunting rifle is just as useful to your everyday person. Why not buy that instead without the baggage of the military-style one?
Because of freedom and I value its adaptability and also I don't give a frick about whatever perceived "baggage" you claim.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:46 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I think there’s a way for regulations and limitations to be put on the amount people can get and the frequency they are able to get it.
With opioids and other highly addictive drugs, there's no going back. If people are willing to have sex with disgusting other humans and live in squalor to get them, I don't think any type of limitations will work. By making them legal you're just encouraging the crisis to worsen. Legal equates to "ok to try" for many. And that would be a huge problem.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:48 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Those countries also don’t have the cultural issues the US does. The vast majority of gun violence is still gang related. You think those criminals are going to follow the law?
No, but I think the point is that many of the guns that ultimately end up in the hands of those gangs were initially purchased legally.
So, assuming many of those were not legal to be sold at all and you can see how the supply would dry up.
Because of the gun laws in Mexico, the cartels, the most feared and ruthless criminals in the world, need to get their guns from the U.S. It's all about having those guns never exist or get sold in the first place.
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:51 pm to 1BamaRTR
You don't think Europe has gangs and organized crime? The difference is the supply of weapons.
"Criminals don't follow laws" - sure they don't, but when getting a gun is logistically difficult and/or prohibitively expensive the criminals learn to do without.
Now, in the United States citizens may find some utility in owning a gun, hunting and the like, whereas in Europe this is less likely. So citizens should have access to guns, but the type and how and who can get them should be up for debate.
It doesn't matter though, sensible gun control won't happen because no one will concede an inch for fear of eventually losing a mile. Also mental health won't get funded because of fears of "socialized medicine" and whatnot. Just get used to the shootings, think of them like car crashes (except without the accompanying widespread benefit and utility of having vehicles). Tragic accidents that are unavoidable because of choices now set in stone.
"Criminals don't follow laws" - sure they don't, but when getting a gun is logistically difficult and/or prohibitively expensive the criminals learn to do without.
Now, in the United States citizens may find some utility in owning a gun, hunting and the like, whereas in Europe this is less likely. So citizens should have access to guns, but the type and how and who can get them should be up for debate.
It doesn't matter though, sensible gun control won't happen because no one will concede an inch for fear of eventually losing a mile. Also mental health won't get funded because of fears of "socialized medicine" and whatnot. Just get used to the shootings, think of them like car crashes (except without the accompanying widespread benefit and utility of having vehicles). Tragic accidents that are unavoidable because of choices now set in stone.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:53 pm to Cocotheape
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Cocotheape
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:06 pm to Clames
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Obviously not once you really examine the argument.
I mean you dodged every question I asked, so you didn't really examine shite
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:23 pm to Ice Cold
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I'm not "interpreting" anything. I'm suggesting that if he's scared of the feds, he should take action and join a "well-regulated militia."
That didn't work so well for those at Ruby Ridge.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:26 pm to Mike da Tigah
These "people" that do shite like this are CRAZY. What don't people understand about that blows my mind. I have seen idiots blame trump? Seriously? This shite has been happening and will happen. We live in a crazy damn world that will only get crazier, and I want my fricking guns...so frick you. You do not penalize the mass majority of good Americans and infringe upon their constitutional right to bear arms bc of some psycho that was determined to inflict casualties no matter what. I agree certain felons shouldn't have firearms and that mental health tests should be implimented, but there's a flaw there...THESE PEOPLE WILL LIE!!! You cant take away a constitutional right because of these dumbasses that are nuts and as crazy as a football bat. They will find a way to get weapons and firearms regardless, either legally or illegally. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IN THIS COUNTRY TO KEEP THE GOVT IN CHECK AS CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT NATION AND frick ALL OF YOU LIBERAL'S THAT CONTINUE TO BLAME THE WEAPON AND NOT THE frickING NUT THAT IS USING IT!!!
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:29 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IN THIS COUNTRY TO KEEP THE GOVT IN CHECK
I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I don't entirely disagree with everything you're saying - but the pro-gun people will be a lot better off if they let this particular argument die.
It no longer applies. It no longer makes sense.
If the government decided to use any amount of military force, then we are fricked. Period. It's not debatable.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:36 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Ok? So that should take my right away to defend myself from any tyranny? I don't care wtf my odds are buddy. I know my odds are better with a fricking gun. Get my point now? If I'm gonna die I will at least want to take as many of those sons of bitches with me as possible. That's how I think. You have your opinion, but i feel much better with a gun or multiple guns.
Another thing is, if the govt ever wanted to declare war on the people of this nation, you would have an inner military uprising that would stop that shot so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. Most of the military and vets are behind the constitution and fight for it and are willing to die for it. They would have a huge military coup if they were to ever attempt something like that, and I know which side I would be on, and we would win. Lol.
Another thing is, if the govt ever wanted to declare war on the people of this nation, you would have an inner military uprising that would stop that shot so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. Most of the military and vets are behind the constitution and fight for it and are willing to die for it. They would have a huge military coup if they were to ever attempt something like that, and I know which side I would be on, and we would win. Lol.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:41 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
Well, assuming the government uses their trillion dollar military budget to send a wave of foot soldiers to your doorstep, then you'll be prepared.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:42 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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Another thing is, if the govt ever wanted to declare war on the people of this nation, you would have an inner military uprising that would stop that shot so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. Most of the military and vets are behind the constitution and fight for it and are willing to die for it. They would have a huge military coup if they were to ever attempt something like that, and I know which side I would be on, and we would win. Lol.
Absolutely the frick not.
Just no.
It's 2018, not 1820.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:44 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Yep, if that were to ever happen I would. How about some crazy bastard just wanting to break into my house? What if he has a gun? Sorry but he's getting a bullet in him, thas another reason. Personal defense against crazy people and criminals that seem to be more and more in number everyday. We need guns for protection, period.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:45 pm to NawlinsTiger9
It’s comical how much they fantasize about that scenario
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:46 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Lol. Ok.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:47 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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ow about some crazy bastard just wanting to break into my house? What if he has a gun? Sorry but he's getting a bullet in him, thas another reason. Personal defense against crazy people and criminals that seem to be more and more in number everyday. We need guns for protection, period.
I didn't say anything about any of that.
I don't disagree with any of that.
But this, "keep the government in check," bullshite is delusional bordering on insanity.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:49 pm to NawlinsTiger9
No its not crazy. It's what the constitutional right to bear arms is for. Whether you think it's stupid or not is irrelevant. You don't seem to understand that.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:50 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
And when the constitution was written, it made a lot of sense.
Now it doesn't.
Now it doesn't.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:57 pm to NawlinsTiger9
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Period. In plain english. Do you wish to change it? It is what it is and means what it says man. It doesn't matter what you think is my point. That is the reason we have the right to bear arms. Get it now?
Period. In plain english. Do you wish to change it? It is what it is and means what it says man. It doesn't matter what you think is my point. That is the reason we have the right to bear arms. Get it now?
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