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re: Pitbulls: Owners and Dogs
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:49 pm to KirkLazarus
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:49 pm to KirkLazarus
I admire your attempt at a thread with reasonable discussion, but the people here have already formed their opinions. In a similar way, it’s also how they have formed their opinions on people of NOLA and North BR.
I’ve had a pit mix for quite sometime. I’ve said how he wouldn’t hurt anybody, and people on here keep saying ‘until he does.’ They’ve been saying that for a few years now. I’m not sure what the OT will say when he lives a long life without attacking a person.
I’ve maintained this is mostly due to upbringing. While the dogs are stronger and different in their aggression, combining that with unfit owners exacerbates a potential problem.
Once again, the opinions on here are already formed. Oil field trash is gonna oil field trash, culcha gonna culcha, and pits gonna pit.
I’ve had a pit mix for quite sometime. I’ve said how he wouldn’t hurt anybody, and people on here keep saying ‘until he does.’ They’ve been saying that for a few years now. I’m not sure what the OT will say when he lives a long life without attacking a person.
I’ve maintained this is mostly due to upbringing. While the dogs are stronger and different in their aggression, combining that with unfit owners exacerbates a potential problem.
Once again, the opinions on here are already formed. Oil field trash is gonna oil field trash, culcha gonna culcha, and pits gonna pit.
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:50 pm to Lou Pai
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The situation you describe is an extreme, unreasonably favorable set of circumstances, and it still doesn't eliminate the genetic predisposition the breed has toward attacking and killing.
I do agree that I've done everything I could to eliminate the possibility of anything happening and my circumstances are abnormal. I got her when I had the time I could put into her training daily. And I don't see some gangbanger doing the same. But thats why I did it, she's the Todd Marinovich of pitbulls, hopefully without the tragic ending to her football career when she gets sick of following orders from Dad.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:52 pm to KirkLazarus
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when they see she is off leash.
Why is your dog off leash if you are taking her for a walk?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:57 pm to lsunurse
Our walks are on a trail/street at an off-leash section of a park. The "job" I've given her during these walks is to stay 3-5 feet behind me at my left "Heel". She's only allowed to run freely and play if I give her a "Go". If she disobeys, its immediately back onto the leash.
ETA: The walk is 3 miles, about 2 miles of it is spent off leash
ETA: The walk is 3 miles, about 2 miles of it is spent off leash
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:04 pm to KirkLazarus
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avoid us when they see she is off leash.
a-hole
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:22 pm to ElroyJetSon
I'm sure thats an opinion from some of them but its an off-leash area so what else is there for them to do? Only thing I can do, is be calm and not even think of It beyond noticing that they just tried to avoid us. Dogs feed off their owners energy (and others). Its amazing how intuitive dogs can be sometimes.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:23 pm to KirkLazarus
Ignorance is bliss! Saying all pits are killers is on the same level as saying all gun owners are killers and we should ban gun ownership. Any dog can be trained to attack/kill, the problem with pits is that their bite is stronger than most dogs and when they bite they can cause extensive damage to the point of death. I am a pit owner, the thing with pits that most people don’t understand is that the owner has to assert himself/herself as the dominant animal from day one and never waiver on it. My dog does exactly what he is told regardless of what is going on around him. He is around my kids, other people and lots of other dogs all the time. He has never shown any aggression toward people or dogs at any time, he regularly gets put in his place by a friends five pound lap dog, not sure what breed he is. When people don’t understand something or aren’t directly involved they are quick to place blame on someone/something. Don’t get me wrong there are some shitty pit owners that shouldn’t be allowed to own pets of any breed, there are also shitty parents that shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce, and there are also shitty gun owners that shouldn’t be allowed to own guns but to lump all pits and pit owners in the same category is simply ignorant. If that is your view then go ahead and give up your guns and your right to have children because if there are shitty ones out there then we must all be shitty right?
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:29 pm to ElroyJetSon
I've got a rescue pit who is a great dog who minds well and looks to me for any instruction all day. I trust him, but I'd never let him off leash in public b/c he is stronger than other dogs and I don't want to risk any untoward incidents and I don't want other people to feel uncomfortable.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:56 pm to Lou Pai
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doesn't eliminate the genetic predisposition the breed has toward attacking and killing.
They don't have a genetic predisposition toward attacking and killing. That's just misinformation. They are genetically inclined toward dog aggression, but for generations, they were very strictly culled anytime they showed human aggression.
I know you're not informed but that's the facts and they're available for you to read before making statements.
The problem now days is irresponsible breeding and shitty owners.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:08 pm to KirkLazarus
Bought a red nose pit bull puppy when i was in my early twenties...cutest thing.walked him,trained him,loved him,had kids after him and for 15 yrs. he was the best fricking dog i ever had,wouldn't change a thing.would i get another one?probably not...home owners insurance won't even cover you with one.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:25 pm to bayourougebengal
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They don't have a genetic predisposition toward attacking and killing. That's just misinformation. They are genetically inclined toward dog aggression, but for generations, they were very strictly culled anytime they showed human aggression.
That's just misinformation. First of all, I didn't say killing humans specifically. There also isn't any evidence to support the notion that pitbulls were culled, and it fails the smell test, when the preponderance of the breed seems to be centered on low-income and low-education owners.
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The problem now days is irresponsible breeding and shitty owners.
fricking lol. What do you think happens with irresponsible breeding?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:27 pm to bigrob385series
Yeah the only reason I'm allowed to have her in my apartment is I was grandfathered in a few years back when we had a more relaxed landlord
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:34 pm to Lou Pai
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There also isn't any evidence to support the notion that pitbulls were culled,
Do some reading instead of talking shite
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:48 pm to bayourougebengal
I am almost 50 yrs old and I've always had a pit mix - we never called them pits, just bulldogs - country bulldogs. I've never had trouble with any of them. Well, one did eat her puppies as she was giving birth, but my Dad said that was the Catahoula in her - he shot her anyway.
The worst dog's I've seen were Rhodesian Ridgebacks. When the hood learns about these killers, pits will be like Doberman's - remember the 70's?? They were the viscious dog's du jour.
I have what I think is a full-blooded pit.. He was shot through the eye and dumped, left for dead with several dead pits. Obviously a fighting ring cull. He is covered in scars and his ears are cut to his scalp. I was taking him to be euthanized when he looked at me with his good eye and licked my hand. I've had him for 7 years now. Best dog I've ever had. He looks like the devil, but damn he's a good dog.
Oh Jack from the Little House books was a "pit". Also google Victorian nanny dog's. Rich folks used them to guard their kids.
I will admit that a bad "pit" is a bad thing. They are extremely smart and strong - when they are smarter than their owners - bad things will happen.
Edit - FYI dog fighters are the fricking scum of the earth.
The worst dog's I've seen were Rhodesian Ridgebacks. When the hood learns about these killers, pits will be like Doberman's - remember the 70's?? They were the viscious dog's du jour.
I have what I think is a full-blooded pit.. He was shot through the eye and dumped, left for dead with several dead pits. Obviously a fighting ring cull. He is covered in scars and his ears are cut to his scalp. I was taking him to be euthanized when he looked at me with his good eye and licked my hand. I've had him for 7 years now. Best dog I've ever had. He looks like the devil, but damn he's a good dog.
Oh Jack from the Little House books was a "pit". Also google Victorian nanny dog's. Rich folks used them to guard their kids.
I will admit that a bad "pit" is a bad thing. They are extremely smart and strong - when they are smarter than their owners - bad things will happen.
Edit - FYI dog fighters are the fricking scum of the earth.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:26 pm to bayourougebengal
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Do some reading instead of talking shite
Thanks for all the empirical analysis you have provided. You seem like a highly educated individual!
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:35 pm to Lou Pai
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Lou Pai
You don't wanna know the facts. You'd rather spew your bullshite narrative.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:44 pm to bayourougebengal
There you are again, fourth post in the thread moaning about facts and reading, without offering anything substantive. Sorry I "talked shite" about your white-trash breed, mate... hope you can find a way to get over it. 
Posted on 1/23/18 at 6:50 am to Lou Pai
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There you are again, fourth post in the thread moaning about facts and reading, without offering anything substantive
It's not my job to show some big mouth POS on a message board anything. If you want truth it's easy to find.
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