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re: Pitbull attacks, child dies

Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:50 am to
I get what you're saying. Pits are more dangerous. We all understand that and have been for years. But you don't buy a gun only expecting to give an intruder a headache either.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:50 am to
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and I don't let her get out


most people don't let there dogs get out



Posted by Camo Tiger 337
Lake Charles
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:50 am to
Please tell me how?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:53 am to
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You really think all dog attacks are recorded and make headlines like this? Think about it, if Manziel and Mettenberger both got in offseason trouble, same offense and in the same state(law purposes), who do you think would people would really care about? Who do you think ESPN would report on about 80% of the time?


Pit bulls are bred to fight which is why they are clear leaders in this case. And don't hit me with the "Oh that's just an excuse, blood doesn't mean anything".




I'm not going to pretend that ever dog attack is reported. However, to claim that the numbers are "skewed" due to bad publicity of the pit is just absurd. The attacks I listed above were all fatal dog attacks. Anytime a person is killed by a dog it's going to make the news, period. The news editor is not going to see a story about a 4 year old girl killed by a beagle and just throw the story aside and not allow it to be run just because it was not a pit bull that killed her. So, while the total number of dog attacks is not well known, the total number of FATAL dog attacks per year is very well established. And the numbers do not lie. The pit bull kills far more than all other breeds combined on a yearly basis. This is an established fact you cannot get around nor make excuses to cover up.
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
Lake Charles
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:55 am to
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The news editor is not going to see a story about a 4 year old girl killed by a beagle and just throw the story aside and not allow it to be run just because it was not a pit bull that killed her
Of course, it's a 4 year old girl. Who wouldn't want to read that? My point is, it wouldn't make headlines and go all around the world like one with a pit bull, like this one, is doing right now.

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This is an established fact you cannot get around nor make excuses to cover up.
You mean like the people with mental issues who get their sentences reduced because of the illness and "he couldn't control it"? Or because of "Zimmerman shot Trayvon because he felt threatened", which I'd put money that's what happened with the dog and girl. I'm not saying dogs are perfect but with a pit who knows no better, it's a person waiting for his calling to come sooner.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 9:59 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:56 am to
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Wow guy. Please reread all my post. That link is only what is registered with the AKC. It doesn't include unregistered dogs or dogs with the UKC or other kennel clubs. Nice try though.


You claimed the pit was the most common breed in the US and gave nothing to back it up other than words you pulled out of your arse. I cited the biggest and most respected kennel club in the world to refute your point. No, the AKC does not have literally every dog in the US listed, but they give a good enough picture of the population to where it's safe to say that a breed they list as the 51st most popular breed cannot be anywhere near the most numerous breed in the country. Now if you want to give us something to refute the AKC's numbers, please feel free to post a link to your source.
Posted by Jobin
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:57 am to
Thanks for listing AKC registration data. How about unregistered or kennel club registration? Don't have it? Oh ok.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:58 am to
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Of course, it's a 4 year old girl. Who wouldn't want to read that? My point is, it wouldn't make headlines and go all around the world like one with a pit bull, like this one, is doing right now.


The numbers I cited were not merely based on attacks that "make headlines and go all around the world like one with a pit bull, like this one, is doing right now". Rather, those were ALL recorded fatal dog attacks in the US for the years 2011 through 2013. I assure you there is not some under-reported epidemic of fatal golden retriever attacks. Those numbers are solid and they are irrefutable.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:59 am to
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I get what you're saying. Pits are more dangerous. We all understand that and have been for years. But you don't buy a gun only expecting to give an intruder a headache either.


Does your gun ever hop off it's shelf and go outside and shoot a child in the head?
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:01 am to
So if a police dog somehow escaped the control of the master and attacked a random bystander, he would get the same criticism that a wild stray pit that attacked a bystander would get? You don't believe that crap yourself.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:04 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:02 am to
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Thanks for listing AKC registration data. How about unregistered or kennel club registration? Don't have it? Oh ok.


The AKC is the largest kennel club in the US. There is no way a breed that is only 51st on their list of breeds is actually the most popular breed in the US. Like I've already said, if you want to give evidence that the AKC numbers are that far off, please post a link.
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:02 am to
The point is don't buy a gun and not expect to kill or do serious damage to something you shoot.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:05 am to
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So if a police dog somehow escaped the control of the master and attacked a random bystander, he wouldn't get the same criticism that a wild stray pit that attacked a bystander would get? You don't believe that crap yourself.



Go look at the links I posted earlier. The vast majority of fatal pit attacks came from either neighbor's pets or even family pets. The random "wild stray" pit attack is very much the exception to the rule. The bottom line is that almost 2/3 of all fatal dog attacks are from Pits and the majority of the pit attacks comes from family or neighbor dogs, not strays.

Posted by iwasthere
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Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:05 am to

You can't prove that it isn't. Look up the UKC and add those numbers to the AKC and see where they stand. Here is a simple stat for you. I will use made up numbers, but will use extremes for each one. Say there are 200 people killed in the world by pits this year.(The 200 is extreme because it hasn't ever been close to that). Now lets say there are only 100,000 pits in all of the world.(This is an extreme also because the number is higher). This means that .2% of the pits in the world kill people. Wow .2%
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:06 am to
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The point is don't buy a gun and not expect to kill or do serious damage to something you shoot.


So all the children killed by pits every year should just have expected it?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:06 am to
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most people don't let there dogs get out


And most people claim to not leave their little child unattended, and yet here we are.

You people are emotional wrecks.

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
72132 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:08 am to
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You can't prove that it isn't. Look up the UKC and add those numbers to the AKC and see where they stand. Here is a simple stat for you. I will use made up numbers, but will use extremes for each one. Say there are 200 people killed in the world by pits this year.(The 200 is extreme because it hasn't ever been close to that). Now lets say there are only 100,000 pits in all of the world.(This is an extreme also because the number is higher). This means that .2% of the pits in the world kill people. Wow .2%



Why make up numbers for fatal pit attacks when I gave the numbers just a page or so ago? Thos numbers show that year after year the pit kills far more people than all other breeds combined. Those are numbers that are not made up (like yours) those numbers are real.
Posted by thedice20
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Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:12 am to
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Why make up numbers for fatal pit attacks when I gave the numbers just a page or so ago? Thos numbers show that year after year the pit kills far more people than all other breeds combined. Those are numbers that are not made up (like yours) those numbers are real.


Keep fighting the good fight. These people will fight and argue this until they are blue in the face.

I personally dont have patience to fight with them. I just feel like rubbing their noses in a big pile of pitt bull shite.
Posted by iwasthere
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:13 am to

Your numbers are real. Using your numbers, the percent drops even more. So by your real numbers, it shows that less than .2% of pits kill.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
18890 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:14 am to
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I'm not going to pretend that ever dog attack is reported. However, to claim that the numbers are "skewed" due to bad publicity of the pit is just absurd. The attacks I listed above were all fatal dog attacks. Anytime a person is killed by a dog it's going to make the news, period. The news editor is not going to see a story about a 4 year old girl killed by a beagle and just throw the story aside and not allow it to be run just because it was not a pit bull that killed her. So, while the total number of dog attacks is not well known, the total number of FATAL dog attacks per year is very well established. And the numbers do not lie. The pit bull kills far more than all other breeds combined on a yearly basis. This is an established fact you cannot get around nor make excuses to cover up.


I think there is also a number of dog attacks where the breed is misidentified as a pitbull. I'm not arguing this would drastically change the percentages, just presenting a piece of information.

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