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re: Pic from the Battle of Stalingrad NSFW
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:24 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:24 pm to DavidTheGnome
I still say we should have let Hitler take out the Russians and with the German army reduced and weak, It would have been easier to tackle Germany. Same with Japan attacking China. We could have ridded ourselves to 2/3 of all the communist and fascists in just one world war. 
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 1:21 am to DavidTheGnome
Jumped off too late and should have "island hopped". Barbarossa was not going to work with supply line extended that far.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 6:56 am to WWII Collector
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I collect all things from WWII... From all Countries, and the USA from 1900 - 1945... Always interested in purchasing items or help people validate what they have.
My father was first wave Omaha Beach. He had quite the collection at one time but not so much anymore. Still a few things left. What’s the best way to get in touch with you?
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:36 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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The Pacific was pretty horrible on its own, but the eastern front was a whole other animal.
I don't know, I'd take bodies frozen in the snow over rotting in the jungle. Have you read any accounts of the New Guinea campaign? Brutal.
Not to mention Guadalcanal. Wounds just wouldn't heal in that climate, too many opportunistic organisms.
I was just speaking in terms of the number of casualties not really fighting conditions. The eastern front of WW2 is in its own galaxy when just talking numbers.
The island hopping campaign the navy and marines conducted could make a case for being the worst fighting conditions for sure. But it's futile to try and compare them. On places like Guadalcanal, you have the heat and mud and disease you mentioned. Or you could go freeze your balls off with no winter equipment spending all your time trying to unfreeze the action on your rifle because the gun oil you were issued has frozen.
Either would royally suck.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:04 am to DavidTheGnome
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Why? Hitler declared war on the US not the other way around. It was a pipe dream hope that the japs would declare war on the Soviets.
Why was that a pipe dream? The Russians and Japs fought 35 years earlier, with the Japanese firing the first shots and declaring war. The Japanese Empire was looking to expand west and was occupying Manchuria before Hitler was even in power in Germany. They wanted (one of the the) same things he did, more land for their people. They attacked PH due to the trade embargoes that we imposed that stemmed from their westward occupation and expansion. Just like Hitler and Germany, they were heading in that direction first. A coordinated two front war for the Russians could have potentially altered the course of history, if nothing else drawing out the war and costing more lives, or having Munich and Berlin get their very own fat boy. . The Japs take over China and the Germans take over Russia and then they both have the land they desired. As was mentioned earlier though, there was minimal coordination between the axis powers. You didn’t have Germans fighting in Guadalcanal or Japs fighting in Stalingrad.
The Germans were always going to have to deal with Britain when they invaded Poland, but the allies didn’t gaf about the Soviet Union. USSR getting pinched from both sides could’ve changed the war. The natural resources and slave labor available from a successful collaboration early on in the war, along with their maniacal dedication to their cause, would’ve made them a lot tougher to beat
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:25 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Why? Hitler declared war on the US not the other way around. It was a pipe dream hope that the japs would declare war on the Soviets.
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Why was that a pipe dream?
1. Japan was already in the 4th year of a stalemated war in China
2. The Russian Far East had none of the resources Japan desperately needed.
3. The oil and rubber resources Japan needed were all to the South in the Dutch East Indies and Malaysia.
4. Japan knew that to secure those resources they would have to fight a war against both Great Britain and the U.S., the two largest economic and naval powers in the world.
This is why it was a pipe dream. Japan had nothing of strategic value to gain from a war with the Soviet Union. And at the same time Japan was, in their opinion, being cornered into a war against two of the most powerful countries on the planet, all while being bogged down in a stalemated war in China. And on top of all this, in 1941 Japan was only two years past the Border Conflict of 1939 with the Soviets where the Japanese Sixth Army was mauled, and came damned close to being encircled and destroyed by Grigoriy Zhukov’s 57th Corps. Zhukov’s use of almost Bilzkreig-like combined arms tactics completely shocked the Japanese, who’s army and tactics were still built around WWI era thinking. Basically, the battles of 1939 convinced Japan there was nothing to gain from going to war with the Soviets.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:48 am to TheHarahanian
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The Soviets lost 1.1 million in that one battle, and still had bodies to throw at the Nazis all the way back to Berlin.
They had almost double the population of Germany. This is interesting from Wiki on relative populations, and loss in the war. Some of it was refugees leaving, maybe, but still..
Germany 1939 - 79 Million
Germany 1946 - 65 Million (18% lower - yikes)
Lost population - 14 Million
USSR 1940 - 131 Million
USSR 1950 - 109 Million (17% lower)(not sure now reliable these numbers are but it's all I could easily find).
Lost Population - 22 Million
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:53 am to Geekboy
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My father was first wave Omaha Beach. He had quite the collection at one time but not so much anymore. Still a few things left. What’s the best way to get in touch with you?
Omgosh... that is amazing. Just zap me an email. joeindfw@yahoo.com
I don't know if you are wanting to show or sell... But if it helps... I am NOT a re-seller. I have a small museum going on and try to research everything and keep a history on them.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:57 am to doubleb
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No, it was on 9/3/39.
Sorry, that's what I meant.
Here's the timeline:
September 1, 1939 - Hitler invades Poland.
September 3, 1939 - England and France declare war on Germany according to treaties with Poland.
October 6, 1939 - Poland surrenders.
May 10, 1940 - Hitler invades France via the Low Countries.
June 26, 1940 - France surrenders.
July 10, 1940 - Battle of Britain starts.
December 18, 1940 - Hitler issues Directive 21 stating his intent to invade the USSR, effectively ending the Battle of Britain.
April 6, 1941 - Hitler invades Yugoslavia to assist Italy in their invasion of Greece.
June 22, 1941 - Barbarossa commences.
From the Polish surrender October 6, 1939 to Babarossa, June 22, 1941, Hitler wasted a LOT of time. If he had gone into Poland a little sooner, just used u-boats on blockading England, and told Mussolini to pound sand, he could've defeated France at the end of 1939 and been ready for Barbarossa in Spring of 1940.
In short, had Hitler used his time more wisely, he could've increased war production in 1938, used 1939 to clear his Western Front, and invaded the Soviet Union in 1940.
Adolf Hitler had declared his intention to invade the Soviet Union on 11 August 1939 to Carl Jacob Burckhardt, League of Nations Commissioner, by saying:
Everything I undertake is directed against the Russians. If the West is too stupid and blind to grasp this, then I shall be compelled to come to an agreement with the Russians, beat the West and then after their defeat turn against the Soviet Union with all my forces. I need the Ukraine so that they can't starve us out, as happened in the last war.
Knowing that, he should've been better prepared.
Germany should've been doing more of this in 1938:
...and less of this:
Posted on 2/9/22 at 10:37 am to BuckyCheese
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If Hitler had not gone all medieval on them he likely would have gained hundreds of thousands of allies in the fight against Stalin.
Hitler wasn't fighting an ideological war against Stalin. At it's root, the Eastern Front was a race war. Hitler's goal was to marginalize the Slavic untermenschen and appropriate their land and resources for Germanic people - much like the US had done against the indigenous people of North America. The difference was, while the American expansion was done with rather Napoleonic-era methods, Hitler attempted it on an industrial scale. Hitler didn't want Slavic "allies", he wanted them gone.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 1:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Yep, which is why early on they only used local collaborators in limited roles helping the SD/SS and Security Divisions murder civilians in rear area "anti-partisan" operations.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:37 pm to DavidTheGnome
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