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re: Philando Castile shooting dashcam video released - NSFW
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:04 pm to QJenk
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:04 pm to QJenk
I'm not trying to lay all the blame on Castille.
It's the duty of all responsible gun owners to know how to properly interact with the cops when you are armed or in possession of a weapon. First and foremost is that you have to let LEO's know that you are armed at the outset of every interaction and await their instructions. Unfortunately, he didn't do that.
It's the duty of all responsible gun owners to know how to properly interact with the cops when you are armed or in possession of a weapon. First and foremost is that you have to let LEO's know that you are armed at the outset of every interaction and await their instructions. Unfortunately, he didn't do that.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:44 am to upgrayedd
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Unfortunately, he didn't do that.
You're assuming Castille reached for his gun. He let the officer know he had a firearm. Officer said "don't pull it out." Castille calmly replied, "I am not." Then the officer yells and quickly shoots.
It is likely Castille was reaching for his wallet/insurance--not the gun.
What the officer should have said was "Okay, do not move"--not "Don't pull it out." Castille arguably was not pulling it out.
quote:
I have a firearm.
Okay, don't reach for it.
I'm not pulling it out
Don't reach for it.
Bang bang.
End of story.
Fixed
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 7:48 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:15 am to Bluegrass_Cat
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And regardless of your views if you don't want to be stopped have your shite in proper operating condition and you won't me stopped.
How would you know a brake light is out unless someone told you? Not every car has sensors alerting you to this. It's not the same as turn signals that click when they are faulty
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:39 am to abitaman6363
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I have a firearm. Okay, don't reach for it. I'm not pulling it out Don't reach for it. Bang bang. End of story.
Cop said don't God damn reach for the motherfricker.
If you're not going to pull it out (per your bold) why the frick are YOU REACHING FOR IT LIKE YOU ARE BEING TOLD NOT TO MOTHERfrickING DO????!!!!
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:07 am to CoachDon
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If you're not going to pull it out (per your bold) why the frick are YOU REACHING FOR IT LIKE YOU ARE BEING TOLD NOT TO MOTHERfrickING DO????!!!!
The time between when Castille told the officer he had a firearm to the time shots were fired was 3 seconds. The time between when Castille calmly said he was not reaching for his gun to the point he was shot was about 1.5 seconds.
I imagine many people in this situation and can see them telling the officer calmly they have a firearm and reaching over to grab insurance papers or reaching for their wallet. This officer analyzed the situation poorly and a life has been taken for it.
Prior to the dash cam video I had no judgement on the case. We did not know the events leading up to the shooting. Now seeing the video I am deeply disappointed. Our service personnel deserve all the respect in the world--but in turn we must demand reasoned action on their part. This was not reasoned action.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:12 am to CoachDon
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Cop said don't God damn reach for the motherfricker.
If you're not going to pull it out (per your bold) why the frick are YOU REACHING FOR IT LIKE YOU ARE BEING TOLD NOT TO MOTHERfrickING DO????!!!!
why do you hate the second amendment so much? I bet you're one of those people who screams about the government coming after your guns, but the moment a responsible concealed carry holder gets mowed down because the cop was a terrified pussy you take up the government's side.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:26 am to REG861
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why do you hate the second amendment so much? I bet you're one of those people who screams about the government coming after your guns, but the moment a responsible concealed carry holder gets mowed down because the cop was a terrified pussy you take up the government's side.
I do not.
What I have no tolerance for are pussies that make excuses for irresponsible gun owners, who are carrying, but cannot understand a simple motherfricking command from an officer.
Don't muddy the water
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:32 am to REG861
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why do you hate the second amendment so much? I bet you're one of those people who screams about the government coming after your guns, but the moment a responsible concealed carry holder gets mowed down because the cop was a terrified pussy you take up the government's side.
This has nothing to do with Second Amendment and you know it. Nice rhetorical fail though.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:34 am to CoachDon
So you're pro big government, got it. Castile could have sneezed and the guy would have opened fire, and you would defend it
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:42 am to REG861
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So you're pro big government, got it. Castile could have sneezed and the guy would have opened fire, and you would defend it
I have to call a pussy a pussy. And a dumbass one at that.
"Speak-a Engrish" - DON'T REACH FOR IT!
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:42 am to AjaxFury
He was told he was pulled over for a brake light when in fact he was pulled over because of an armed robbery less than two miles away in which he looked almost identical to the suspect.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:45 am to CoachDon
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but cannot understand a simple motherfricking command from an officer.
That's what you are missing you ignoramus. Castille obeyed the command. He did not reach for the gun. And the officer did not even allow time to determine what he was reaching for.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:46 am to LetsgoGamecocks
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LetsgoGamecocks
Was responding to what the poster said who was speaking in generalities, not talking about the specifics of this case
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:50 am to abitaman6363
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It is likely Castille was reaching for his wallet/insurance--not the gun.
What the officer should have said was "Okay, do not move"--not "Don't pull it out." Castille arguably was not pulling it out.
Why do you say that it is likely? Why waste an argument claiming he was not pulling it out? There's no evidence of that. Just say you don't know. Because you don't know.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:54 am to Willie Stroker
The focus from this shouldn't be the info we don't know enough to debate on, but should be about how to behave when pulled over while carrying
Hands on steering wheel, ask officer how to proceed if you choose to disclose, slow movements, clear communication. It's not a time to lose your wits or act in a rush whatsoever
Hands on steering wheel, ask officer how to proceed if you choose to disclose, slow movements, clear communication. It's not a time to lose your wits or act in a rush whatsoever
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:56 am to AjaxFury
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It's not a time to lose your wits or act in a rush whatsoever
Tell that to the cop...
Castile was calm. He was obeying an order.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:58 am to Willie Stroker
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Why do you say that it is likely?
For the following reasons:
*The officer asked for his wallet.
*Castille had no reason to reach for his gun and had already told the officer he had a firearm.
*Castille calmly said he was not reaching for his firearm.
*Diamond Reynolds stated in the immediate aftermath and in her testimony he was unbuckling to reach for his wallet.
*Autopsy evidence showed bullet wounds to trigger finger but not area of his pocket where gun was located which would have been likely the case if his hand was in the pocket where gun was located.
In other words--all evidence points to the fact that he was not reaching for a firearm.
What evidence do you have he was reaching for a gun?
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:00 am to abitaman6363
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*Castille calmly said he was not reaching for his firearm.
Link? I heard the opposite.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:04 am to abitaman6363
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Castille obeyed the command
Maybe in his mind he was reaching for his seatbelt , wallet, etc, but how is the officer supposed to know?
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He did not reach for the gun.
You know this how?
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And the officer did not even allow time to determine what he was reaching for.
What?? He's supposed to wait and see what he's reaching for, after he told him not to reach for a gun? You realize how long it takes to shoot a gun after you get your hand on it, right? The officer could have been more clear and told him to keep his hands up or on the steering wheel, but that may be something that comes up in a civil case.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 10:08 am
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