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Pandemics of history: “The Plague of Justinian” - Yersinia Pestis

Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:41 pm
Posted by TulaneFan
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:41 pm
The COVID19 pandemic has caused me to go down the rabbit hole of devastating plagues that have afflicted mankind, one of the worst ever being the Plague of Justinian (541-542 CE) which wiped out nearly half of Europe, killing an estimated 25-50 million people (25% of the Byzantine Empire).

Surprisingly, the disease originated in China. It then spread to Africa and Egypt through trade routes, then North to Alexandria and East to Palestine. Much like Coronavirus, it crippled the Economy, although it did not cancel any sports. It was mainly transmitted through Black Rats on grain ships and carts bound for Constantinople. The primary symptoms were delusions, nightmares, fever, and swelling in the groin, armpits, and behind the ears. This plague was commonly blamed on the emperor, Justinian, who was accused of being the devil. Supposedly he was being punished by god for his evil ways.

Justinian actually caught Yersinia Pestis, although he survived the disease. This plague raged on for 225 years until it disappeared in 750 CE. Bodies were mainly disposed of in abandoned buildings or dumped at sea. There would be no more plague outbreaks until the Black Death arrived in Europe in October of 1347.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 7:56 pm
Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:42 pm to
Now THAT is a fricking "pandemic".
Posted by TulaneFan
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:43 pm to
Since there was no toilet paper in the 14th century, at least the lines were not as long at Walmart
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Posted by AUsteriskPride
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:47 pm to
In other news, 3,700 people died today in auto accidents.
Posted by lsunurse
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:49 pm to
There is a Great Courses audible on The Black Death plague that is incredibly fascinating if you are into that stuff.

Should check it out
Posted by Tyga Woods
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:49 pm to
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North to Alexandria


My mom lives in Ellick
Posted by FeauxPaw
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:56 pm to
I can't get into that one. The professor teaches as if the audience is all high school freshmen.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:58 pm to
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There is a Great Courses audible on The Black Death plague that is incredibly fascinating if you are into that stuff.


I have this lecture. The lecturer has good material but I wish she’d talk a little faster. She speaks as if her listeners are kids.

Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:00 pm to
Plague of Jodynian (20 March 2003 – 18 December 2011)
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:02 pm to
People who know history have more perspective on many things, including disease. When you understand the horrors of diseases like smallpox, polio, etc you really lose patience with the ignorant fricks screaming about autism when some of these diseases should be utterly eradicated.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:03 pm to
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I can't get into that one. The professor teaches as if the audience is all high school freshmen.



Exactly! I have a bunch of Great Courses lectures and the professor makes all the difference. Kenneth Harl is one of my favorites and he’s a Tulane prof. Check out his Crusades lecture sometime.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:06 pm to
Read up on the plague of Athens too. Very interesting.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:11 pm to
Wow if Justinian would’ve just shut down the gyms and bars like jbe no one would have died
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:13 pm to
Without the plague, Islam might’ve been crushed in it’s infancy by Byzantium and/or Persia.
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:17 pm to
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Kenneth Harl is one of my favorites and he’s a Tulane prof.


Took several of his courses at Tulane. Cannot begin to explain how incredible of a teacher and lecturer he is. Best teacher I ever had at any level. Absolutely brilliant, speaks 7 languages I think.
Posted by shawnlsu
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:20 pm to
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The professor teaches as if the audience is all high school freshmen.


Probably why nurse thinks it fascinating.
aaand we're back!
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 8:21 pm
Posted by TulaneFan
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:21 pm to
I find it funny that even back then the media blamed an influential world leader who had nothing to do with the outbreak
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