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OTD in 1975: Saigon falls

Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:19 am
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:19 am
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The Fall of Saigon[1][2] was the capture of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam, by the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) and the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (also known as the Vi?t C?ng) on 30 April 1975. The event marked the end of the Vietnam War and the start of a transition period to the formal reunification of Vietnam under the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.


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President Thi?u resigned on April 21. His remarks were particularly hard on the Americans, first for forcing South Vietnam to accede to the Paris Peace Accords, second for failing to support South Vietnam afterwards, and all the while asking South Vietnam “to do an impossible thing, like filling up the oceans with stones.”[43] The presidency was turned over to Vice President Tr?n Van Huong. The view of the North Vietnamese government, broadcast by Radio Hanoi, was that the new regime was merely “another puppet regime.”[44]


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Reports came in from the outskirts of the city that the PAVN were closing in.[46] At 10:48 a.m., Martin relayed to Kissinger his desire to activate "the FREQUENT WIND" evacuation plan; Kissinger gave the order three minutes later. The American radio station began regular play of Irving Berlin's "White Christmas," the signal for American personnel to move immediately to the evacuation points.[47][48]


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Under this plan, CH-53 and CH-46 helicopters were used to evacuate Americans and friendly Vietnamese to ships, including the Seventh Fleet, in the South China Sea.[49] The main evacuation point was the DAO Compound at Tan Son Nhat; buses moved through the city picking up passengers and driving them out to the airport, with the first buses arriving at Tan Son Nhat shortly after noon. The first CH-53 landed at the DAO compound in the afternoon, and by the evening, 395 Americans and more than 4,000 Vietnamese had been evacuated. By 23:00 the U.S. Marines who were providing security were withdrawing and arranging the demolition of the DAO office, American equipment, files, and cash. Air America UH-1s also participated in the evacuation.[50]


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Following the end of the war, according to official and non-official estimates, between 200,000 and 300,000 South Vietnamese were sent to reeducation camps, where many endured torture, starvation, and disease while being forced to perform hard labor.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 9:44 am
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
76173 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:22 am to
My B-i-l (no pics) was second mate on a freighter heading up the Mekong when this happened.

They got the hell out of there. Bunch of little boats tried to come alongside them, the captain said maintain full ahead.
Posted by Traveler
I'm not late-I'm early for tomorrow
Member since Sep 2003
26607 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:35 am to
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"the FREQUENT WIND" evacuation plan;


Photo of crews pushing helicopters off the Okinawa to make room from more inbound aircraft.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 9:37 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74647 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:39 am to
Liberal Democrats in Congress forever put a glaring stain on the honor of the United States of America when they cut all funding and support to South Vietnam. They were our ally and we were treaty bound to come to their aid when North Vietnam attacked again in 1975. Instead we abandoned them to their fate.

And the truly sad part of it all is the true history of how we WON the Vietnam War only to have liberal Democrats waste that victory only two years later is not taught in our schools. Instead of true history being taught, our kids are spoon-fed a blatant lie that we lost the Vietnam War.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96253 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:40 am to
Classic Post-War America - lose a fricking war after you've already won it.

SMDH (still, over 40 years later)
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:45 am to
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Liberal Democrats in Congress forever put a glaring stain on the honor of the United States of America when they cut all funding and support to South Vietnam.


Yep, this is where the United States lost its integrity to its friends.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56201 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:06 am to
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Yep, this is where the United States lost its integrity to its friends.


True dat!

You are an ally of the USA when the GOP is in the WH. Suddenly, the Dems take the WH and SURPRISE -- not anymore!
Posted by BillBrosky
Your wife's back door
Member since Mar 2012
2732 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:09 am to
I remember watching this on the TV news back in the day. Also worked with a guy in the early 80's that was a chopper gunship pilot over there. He would tell me stories of the scrafing runs on the vietcong villages and getting the body counts the next day. Men, women, children, didn't matter, commi bastages all of them.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:15 am to
I knew the CO of the Marine -46 squadron that did a lot of the heavy lifting that day, he had a lot of cool pics, tapes, memorabilia, etc., could have written a book, or made a documentary with all of the info he had
Posted by BillBrosky
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Member since Mar 2012
2732 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:16 am to
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could have written a book, or made a documentary with all of the info he had


A lot came back like that. My BIL served over there and will not talk about it.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42408 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:17 am to
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Classic Post-War America - lose a fricking war after you've already won it.



We never won Vietnam
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:18 am to
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A lot came back like that. My BIL served over there and will not talk about it.


this guy loved to talk about it, he was a lifer
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:19 am to
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We never won Vietnam


Keep gobbling that horseshite.
Posted by siberian tiger
the Hammer
Member since Jan 2004
393 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:22 am to
Yea nixon really had the commies on the run great idea to PROLONG the war too first time I have EVER heard some one say "they ended the Vietnam War to soon "
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96253 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:31 am to
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We never won Vietnam



I know this is a hippie/commie article of faith, but in every measurable, objective way we measure a "win" in that sort of "war" - the U.S. won it - decisively. The fact that we didn't enforce a treaty we negotiated (successfully, from a position of strength, by the way, in Paris) doesn't change the fact we won the war, militarily and could have enforced the treaty had the Congress of the United States (in a rare showing of bipartisanship) possessed even the spine of a jellyfish.

But that's not completely fair. Only the Republicans at that point were utterly spineless. The Dems largely tanked Vietnam in 1975 because they could and it was intentional - they felt that was the final nail in the Nixon era coffin (and it largely was).

Politics over the best interests of the nation was the order of the day.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 10:33 am
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:35 am to
We shouldn’t have been over there to begin with but it is a damn shame the way we let the South fall after losing 50,000 men—basically for nothing.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:37 am to
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after losing 50,000 men—

1.1 million NV,VC KIA, pretty good arse kicking ratio
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96253 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:40 am to
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You are an ally of the USA when the GOP is in the WH. Suddenly, the Dems take the WH and SURPRISE -- not anymore!


Not exactly - recall it was the DEMS' domino theory and JFK/LBJ that made the alliance with the corrupt South Vietnam regime. Now, once committed, LBJ fricked it up like a soup sandwich. Nixon came in with what he felt was a mandate - win and end the war, bring the boys home.

Which, for all his flaws, he did. Folks didn't like 'how' particularly the commie/hippie types whose party got us involved/fricked it up (and essentially switched sides to become allied with Hanoi the day Nixon was elected), but he did regardless.

And then they threw it away despite President Ford coming to a joint session and BEGGING for them to let him enforce the treaty. FFS, they didn't even fully fund an evacuation leaving many, many of our friends to the tender mercies of the American left's Hanoi allies.

Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48636 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:53 am to
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Yep, this is where the United States lost its integrity to its friends
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True dat!

You are an ally of the USA when the GOP is in the WH. Suddenly, the Dems take the WH and SURPRISE -- not anymore!




GOP still had the presidency in 75. It was congress and the public distaste for that war that caused Nixon to withdraw in 73. It should have been proof positive to anyone that a war where decisions are made based on political loss or gain will ultimately end poorly.

Did we learn our lesson?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 10:54 am to
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GOP still had the presidency in 75

Ford was president, Carter elected in '76?
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