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re: OT Electrician wiring question pt 2 update its FIXED

Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:52 pm to
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:52 pm to
The gfci circuits are fine...
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:52 pm to
No need. If the GFCI tripped, and suspect it did, the reset (red) button will be out. Push it in and that should restore power
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:54 pm to
u pushed in fault button, then reset?

and u looked outside for one???


Just because the gfi looks ok, doesnt mean it couldnt be tripped. Sometimes they wont pop out all the way, but still do their job.

i'd pop the fault button, then reset and check that box for power.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

The gfci circuits are fine...


We must have been typing at the same time. I'm puzzled at this point, unless a wire arced to the point where it is not making good contact. Or you missed a GFCI? Wish I was in a situation where I could go to you house to help. I hate puzzles like this, gotta solve them.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
15293 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:59 pm to
i'd pop and reset all of your gfi outlets, just to be sure.

then check for power in that switch box.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted by sherrifftaylor
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:03 pm to
It's either wired with the hot to the light first, or the hot to the switch first. Big difference. If there is two reds in the light and only one light in the room, it sounds like the hots are to the light first and its on a 3-way. If that's the case, He may never figure that out without some good help.
Posted by sherrifftaylor
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:05 pm to
Me too.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:12 pm to
PUT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS ORIGINALLY.

SEE IF IT WORKS.

IF SO, TAKE A PIC AND POST IT.
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:41 pm to
Only reading your first post, no one ever follows up so why should we.
If you are replacing fixtures or fans, try turning off the power, cutting the wires leading into the fixture/fan near the junction point and install new. Leaving the leads of existing fixtures/fans help you tie the new ones into the correct wires.
Obviously remove the short leads when making the final connections.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48609 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

It's either wired with the hot to the light first, or the hot to the switch first.


Probably should be wired like this



although he says it was originallywired with the 2 black to one side of the light and the 2 whites to the other. I'm wondering if it just looked that way because the old light had a white and black lead on the light? I'm perplexed, I've wired and rewired dozens of these circuits and not had this problem. I'm a little concerned a wire had either come loose or scorched enough to loose contact where it is connected elsewhere and has cut off power to the circuit.

Again
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48609 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:46 pm to
He already replaced the light.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48609 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:47 pm to
Any chance you have a secondary panel where this breaker may be? Just grasping at straws.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
15293 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:49 pm to
it's something really simple, or like u said, a wire is loose some where.

Or, when he disconnected, he wasn't paying attention, and some thing needs to be hooked up.

or he has a gfi, some where(inside or outside) that is popped, but looks like it's good(had this happen to an outside outlet).

If he lived near me, i'd check it out, but he's no where near me.
Posted by sherrifftaylor
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:50 pm to
Yes sir, that's what I'm thinking. Like CAD said, some pics would help.
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

He already replaced the light.

Well, not reading all the posts he did it unlike I posted if it doesn't work.
Perhaps next time he'll ask first.
Y'all have fun.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48609 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:56 pm to
I'm offshore or I would consider offering to help tomorrow. I think he probably had something like this and mistook what was there before so when he hooked the 2 whites together in the fixture he was connected a switched hot to his neutral. If the switches were in the right position, dead short. Should have tripped a breaker though, unless it scorched a wire or tripped a GFCI first. Color me baffled
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48609 posts
Posted on 3/26/16 at 9:17 am to
Let us know what ends up being the issue. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
8041 posts
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Sorry I couldn't be more help


Shoot y'all helped me understand what to look for...got a few electrical minded guys coming by later for crawfish hopefully we can figure it out...but mdomingue...do you think I should connect a black and white (like in that diagram)then wire it up? I thought about that but someone told me not to connect a hot and common.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 10:45 am
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48609 posts
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:04 am to
best thing to do at this point, IMO, is to figure out why you have no power. Leave the wires to the light unconnected, preferably wire nutted or taped to avoid any accidents.

Once you have power, you can test each wire for power by checking with the switches in each position. Both up, Switch A up/Switch B down, Switch A down/Switch B up, Both Switches up. Check white, black, and red. I suspect what you'll find is that one of the blacks only has power when the red does and one only has power when the red does not. If you can get or have a voltmeter that reads AC, check voltage from any wire that has power to either white wire. I expect you will find one gives you a voltage reading and one does not.

If that does happen, you probably need to wire the black that has power when the red does to your light and the other black to the white that does not give you a voltage reading to the wire that shows power. The other white to your light. Hopefully, one of your friend will have a good handle on this.

Good luck, man.
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:07 am to
I agree with what he said. :l

Good luck.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 11:27 am
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