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re: Operating a bulldozer
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:19 am to Hammertime
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:19 am to Hammertime
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Pretty much nobody down here runs CAT forestry equipment. 9 times out of 10, they use big green
The last machine POP survey report I read for Alabama showed Deere with almost half the skidder population with Cat not far behind. After that you'll see things like Timberking, Prentice (which Cat owns), and Tigercat.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 8:20 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:22 am to johnnyrocket
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I ordered Cat D6 a few years ago with Trimble mc. It was so bad the dealer didn't even have guys that knew how to fix it or operate it. I had to call the local Trimble dealer. They mixed old and new sensors and it didn't match with the control box. I was so mad I took junk off. That system was close to $40k back then.
When you buy a piece of equipment you are basically buying a long term contract with the service department. Make sure they are worth a damn before you do anything.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:31 am to johnnyrocket
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I ordered Cat D6 a few years ago with Trimble mc. It was so bad the dealer didn't even have guys that knew how to fix it or operate it. I had to call the local Trimble dealer. They mixed old and new sensors and it didn't match with the control box. I was so mad I took junk off. That system was close to $40k back then.
I took new bids for mc with geoshack, western data, and sms. Geoshack selling topcon was slightly higher maybe by $3,000 but the system was 100% better. Haven't looked back at Trimble/cat after that and probably never will. That put a bad taste in my mouth CAT dealers selling mc and they didn't even know how to work it, service it, and my salesman didn't even know what it did.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. How long ago was this? I ask because the Trimble systems have been vastly updated and improved in the last couple years. When Cat first came out with GPS they partnered with Trimble and like many new products there were a lot of teething problems, including training dealer personnel. Cat came in and put a lot of product improvements and standards on the equipment. Now it's known as the Cat "Accugrade". Here's more info on it....
LINK
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:36 am to Darth_Vader
Yeah like I said we run it with gps as well as a robotic total station and the only complaint I have is about the Trimble Business Center software but I just bypass that shite. The software works it's just an extra step and I don't use it
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:40 am to Dire Wolf
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When you buy a piece of equipment you are basically buying a long term contract with the service department. Make sure they are worth a damn before you do anything.
I don't think the OP is looking to buy but you do bring up a great point. I know one things some Cat dealers are doing is implementing what they call "fleet management" and "condition monitoring". Basically they have a command center of sorts set up that monitors data coming in from the "Product Link" installed on newer machines. This date includes everything from machine location, usage, fault codes, and alerts. They use these along with things like PM service reports and fluid sample reports to gain a overall picture of the health of customer's machines. This gives them the ability to in many instances catch problems while they're still in the developmental stage and before they reach component failure stage.
Which as anyone who's been around heavy equipment knows, all this is huge because of the massive amounts of money and unscheduled downtime that are saved by doing "before failure" repairs versus "after failure" repairs. Along with this they have custom service agreements that many customers enter into that range from doing the preventive maintenance all the way to total machine care to where the only expense outside of the agreement the customer has is the cost of fuel.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:38 am to johnnyrocket
Cat has recently integrated the grade control systems in their D6 and D8's. The only thing you add to them now is the radio receiver and have the base station set up. The receivers are low profile and no wires, towers, or sensors exposed.
The tech world in construction changes and improves so fast. I expect one day companies will be hiring techies to operate machinery remotely in front of a computer.
Here's the bottom line. The biggest issue of early failure and breakdowns is do to operator error and poor maintenance habits. If operators are not doing a walk around, greasing, topping off fluids, ignoring codes, not changing oil and filters in timely matter. Your machine will not perform like it should no matter who makes it. operators spinning tracks and tires, Not using proper operating methods, etc. All of that costing you in parts, labor, productivity.
The tech world in construction changes and improves so fast. I expect one day companies will be hiring techies to operate machinery remotely in front of a computer.
Here's the bottom line. The biggest issue of early failure and breakdowns is do to operator error and poor maintenance habits. If operators are not doing a walk around, greasing, topping off fluids, ignoring codes, not changing oil and filters in timely matter. Your machine will not perform like it should no matter who makes it. operators spinning tracks and tires, Not using proper operating methods, etc. All of that costing you in parts, labor, productivity.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:39 am to weagle99
A D8 has the auto leveling feature
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:47 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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The tech world in construction changes and improves so fast. I expect one day companies will be hiring techies to operate machinery remotely in front of a computer.
You'd be amazed just how computerized everything is today. The way things are now when a field tech goes out to troubleshoot a machine, the first thing he reaches for is a laptop instead of any wrenches.
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Here's the bottom line. The biggest issue of early failure and breakdowns is do to operator error and poor maintenance habits. If operators are not doing a walk around, greasing, topping off fluids, ignoring codes, not changing oil and filters in timely matter. Your machine will not perform like it should no matter who makes it. operators spinning tracks and tires, Not using proper operating methods, etc. All of that costing you in parts, labor, productivity.
B I N G frickING O
I spend probably over half my time devoted to trying to stress this point to owners so they'll do their maintenance and get the most life out of their machine for the lowest owning & operating cost. Which, and this is something a lot of folks don't seem to be aware of, most Cat macinhes are designed to have literally two lives. Cat has a program called "Certified Rebuild" where a machine at the end of it's life is taken to a dealer, stripped down to the bare frame, and completely rebuilt. It even get's a new serial number and new machine warranty. It's literally a new machine and looks showroom new. All for about half the price you'd pay for a new machine.
As for doing maintenance, I'll give you one easy example. Taking oil samples. Oil samples cost less than $15 each, are taken every 250 hours, and can save you literally thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars. They can mean the difference between doing a scheduled $3,000 re-bearing & reseal on a final drive or doing a unscheduled (and thus extra downtime and extra lost revenue) $15,000 rebuild on one that's failed because you had no idea the duo-cone seals were leaking and allowing dirt & water to contaminate the final drive.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:53 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
I work for a CAT Dealer
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:54 am to CoachDon
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I work for a CAT Dealer
Tell the boys at Whayne I said hi. Do they still have that old log cabin in the middle of their Louisville location that serves as a conference room?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:56 am to Darth_Vader
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As for doing maintenance, I'll give you one easy example. Taking oil samples. Oil samples cost less than $15 each, are taken every 250 hours, and can save you literally thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars. They can mean the difference between doing a scheduled $3,000 re-bearing & reseal on a final drive or doing a unscheduled (and thus extra downtime and extra lost revenue) $15,000 rebuild on one that's failed because you had no idea the duo-cone seals were leaking and allowing dirt & water to contaminate the final drive.
or run a regen when the machine calls for one. I cannot tell you how many service bills you will save just buy doing that.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:58 am to Dire Wolf
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or run a regen when the machine calls for one. I cannot tell you how many service bills you will save just buy doing that.
Those regen systems can cost you a mountain of money if not maintained.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:33 pm to Darth_Vader
This thread reminds me...I used to run this old Champion motor grader a couple of times a week. That thing had like 75 levers on it
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:39 pm to Hammertime
I'm sitting in a late 90's Cat 140 right now trying to remember which lever does what because I've gotten used to our new blade which is joystick
The regeneration systems are a pain in the arse damn EPA
The regeneration systems are a pain in the arse damn EPA
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:40 pm to Hammertime
Get a CAT in only has two joysticks now
You can sit back and get a blowie from your girl while working the soil.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:50 pm to Agforlife
I used to run it creating roads in the swamp. Was a wild ride hitting stumps the GD dozer guy missed. I broke something almost every single time I ran it, but we weren't trying to run a $100k grader in the middle of the swamp
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:54 pm to Hammertime
Only reason I'm on the blade is because it doesn't matter what this looks like I'm no blade hand. I get bored just sitting in the truck so I get out and do some of the little stuff that needs doing so the guys can keep rolling on the big stuff.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:40 pm to elprez00
Getting a Cat D4 delivered. Can't wait to get started!
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:46 pm to samson73103
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Has anyone ever operated one? Considering renting one to do some cleaning up around my property. Is there any special knowledge required and what brand is best?
My family's farm owns a Cat. They aren't hard to figure out if you can drive anything bigger than a prius. Just get the guy at the rental place to show you how to drive it. If you are renting it why do you care about the brand? Just get the cheapest one to get the job done and turn it back in.
Disclaimer: I grew up on a farm and learned how to drive heavy equipment before I could legally drive so I might be underestimating the difficulty.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:47 pm to samson73103
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what brand is best?
My son recommends Tonka. Has had good experiences.
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