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On this day 75 years ago, the last great battle in human history mercifully came to an end

Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:38 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:38 am
The Battle of Okinawa had raged since U.S. soldiers and marines of the 10th Army landed on the island's shores back on April 1. Since that date, the largest combined land, sea, and air battle had set the Japanese island ablaze. On June 21, some 81 days later, the island was officially declared secure.

For the 250,000+ Americans involved in the operation, it was the most intense and harrowing experience of their lives. When the smoke finally began to clear over the island, it revealed a scene right out of Dante's Inferno. More than 20,000 U.S. soldiers, sailors, and marines were dead. A further 55,000 were listed as wounded or missing. It was by far the bloodiest battle of the Pacific War and, perhaps, a harbinger of things to come in the inevitable invasion of the Japanese home islands.

For the Japanese, the butcher's bill was even worse. An estimated 110,000 IJA soldiers were killed or committed suicide as the battle went south for them. A further 7,000 IJA soldiers surrendered to the Americans. Hit just as hard were the 300,000 Okinawan civilians who populated the island. It is estimated that as many as 150,000 were killed during the battle.

When added together, the total casualties for the Battle of Okinawa comes to 342,000 killed, wounded, or captured/missing. After the horrendous casualties incurred in the battle, Allied military planners couldn't help but wonder just how great the casualties would be if it came to an invasion of Japan. Some estimated casualties north of one million for the Allies alone.

While no one could possibly know it at the time, U.S. President Harry Truman was hedging his bets that a project, being carried out under the upmost secrecy in the desert of New Mexico, would give him another option to use against the Japanese....
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:39 am to
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75 years ago, the last great battle in human history


Ummm, yeah that’s not true at all...
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71735 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:46 am to
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Ummm, yeah that’s not true at all...


In terms of the number of servicemen involved and the amount of casualties incurred, yes it was.

Posted by WitoldPilecki
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2020
207 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:50 am to
I’ve read many books on Okinawa describing the hellish conditions the soldiers faced while fighting a determined, fanatical enemy on land and at sea. Our struggles and gripes today are trivial in comparison to what those men experienced. They were the greatest generation! Thank you all!

ETA: The atomic bomb was necessary and 100% saved more lives than if the US would have invaded Japan.
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8565 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:50 am to
Stationed on “The Rock” 3 different times. Loved my time there. Toured old bunkers and caves. So much History there
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:54 am to
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ETA: The atomic bomb was necessary and 100% saved more lives than if the US would have invaded Japan.



The bomb saved lives but not for the reasons you list there. The invasion of Japan is small compared to the effect the bomb had on the USSR.
Posted by YF12
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Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:54 am to
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In terms of the number of servicemen involved and the amount of casualties incurred, yes it was.



Chinese Civil War that happened after world War two had some that make the numbers in Okinawa look like child's play
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71735 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:59 am to
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Chinese Civil War that happened after world War two had some that make the numbers in Okinawa look like child's play


I wouldn't say look like child's play, as the Battle of Jinan - the largest and bloodiest battle of the conflict - in 1948 is the only one that's comparable. Remember...the Battle of Okinawa was the largest combined land, sea, and air battle in history. No battle in the Chinese Civil War could make the Battle of Okinawa look like child's play. The vast majority of the deaths in China occurred in the aftermath of their civil war anyway.

This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 9:01 am
Posted by WitoldPilecki
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2020
207 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 9:16 am to
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The invasion of Japan is small compared to the effect the bomb had on the USSR.


You’re correct. The USA definitely made a statement with the bomb. I know Patton was all for killing the Communist scum, but I wonder how the war would have played out? Do you think Germany and Japan would have joined forces with us against them?
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8565 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 12:15 pm to
In a heartbeat. Especially Germany. Could you have imagined rolling in to Russia and freeing the 100 thousand plus POWs?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216685 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 12:19 pm to
Agreed. And that’s why no single country in today’s world would dare take us on.
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3238 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 12:20 pm to
The bomb fundamentally changed Americans view on total war. Ever since we dropped the two bombs to end the war in the pacific the United States has fought conflicts and wars handcuffed by the American public.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 12:22 pm to
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In terms of the number of servicemen involved and the amount of casualties incurred, yes it was.


Korea
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52928 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 12:32 pm to
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Ummm, yeah that’s not true at all...

What’s your counterpoint?
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8565 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 12:33 pm to
Yeah, looking forward to his counterpoint.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 3:20 pm to
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What’s your counterpoint?


My counterpoint is I don’t judge the greatness of battles based on the number of men committed and / or the casualty counts.

I would say the following American battles are just as great And occurred after the one in question:

The Battle of Chosin
The Battle of Bloody Ridge
The Battle of Ia Drang
The Battle of Hue
The Battle of Mogadishu
The Battle of 73 Easting
The Battle of Fallujah

To name a few





Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13803 posts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 3:26 pm to
From July to November 1916, over 5 million men faced each other on the Somme. When it was over, more than 1 million were casualties.
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