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re: Obesity is the true pandemic in this country
Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:26 pm to VADawg
Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:26 pm to VADawg
The biggest factor is technology. Technology and machines have made it to where most jobs are sedentary.
Not to mention, kids these days spend all weekend playing fortnite and call of duty.
I was born in the early 90’s even then, up until I was about 10, my punishment was not being able to go across the street and play basketball or ride bikes with my neighbor
Not to mention, kids these days spend all weekend playing fortnite and call of duty.
I was born in the early 90’s even then, up until I was about 10, my punishment was not being able to go across the street and play basketball or ride bikes with my neighbor
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Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:53 pm to Tigerbait357
AF = and fat
Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:53 pm to Chef Curry
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fat blobs of shite
It really can't be repeated enough...stop being fat America!
This post was edited on 10/31/21 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:09 pm to Chef Curry
Well, we have a workforce where many, many employees are basically chained to their desks. Sometimes I get up and do some jumping jacks in my office just to get the blood flowing.
If you're not exercising regularly or eating healthy, it's very easy to get fat in this country.
If you're not exercising regularly or eating healthy, it's very easy to get fat in this country.
This post was edited on 10/31/21 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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. It beggars belief that people look to rising obesity rates across countries and cultures with a wide variety of culinary traditions and still suggest the cause is solely on the indivudual.
Wow. You've bought in hook, line, and sinker.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:19 pm to DonaldPump
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Your metabolism can be sped up via exercise…
Sure, but you understand that the metabolic features of the endocrine system work by feedback mechanisms, correct? The issues aren't strictly thermodynamic, as the nutritional content of food matters in metabolic terms, in a meaningful way. People, in general, who lose weight require excess energy balance to maintain their weight versus those who are 'naturally' at the same weight, as a function of body energy demands. Even further, there is long-term persistence of hormonal changes after weight loss that are fairly resilient, such as persistently decreased TSH, which curiously increases only after leptin administration.
There's a complex biochemistry at play, and the reason for the weight gains have to do, at the molecular level, with meaningful changes in food processing that effectively ensure obesity will reach pandemic proportions.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:27 pm to Landmass
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Oh, you go frick off instead. 99% of obesity is due to eating copious amounts of ulra-processed and sugar filled garbage. This not only causes obesity but also causes systematic inflammation, diabetes, fuels cancer growth, and enables the body to erupt into a number of chronic illnesses. Your response to me is the type of ignorance and falsehoods that I fully expect from the medical community these days.
And you're not understanding the significant changes that occur after weight gain, such as impairment of postprandial metabolism of other hormones. Those hormones are very resistant to weight loss, and some remain decreased for years after weight loss.
I would love to clamp down on food-processing, but given that there will be no regulation at the level needed to fight this pandemic, we will have to do this individually, patient by patient, and that will obviously not work. Maybe someone will come up with a Beta-3 agonist which can work solely on adipose tissue, otherwise, given the absolute resilience to any form of regulatory measures, the obesity pandemic will continue to get worse and worse.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:28 pm to supadave3
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Wow. You've bought in hook, line, and sinker.
What?
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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I would love to clamp down on food-processing, but given that there will be no regulation at the level needed to fight this pandemic, we will have to do this individually, patient by patient, and that will obviously not work. Maybe someone will come up with a Beta-3 agonist which can work solely on adipose tissue, otherwise, given the absolute resilience to any form of regulatory measures, the obesity pandemic will continue to get worse and worse.
I don't mind regulation on massive industries to ensure quality but it seems that when you talk of regulation, you talk about it on the individual. You're very backwards.
Look, how many people have you helped detox from sugar to cure their chronic illnesses? I say this because I know a few dozen people that changed their lives based on dropping sugar alone. For others it is carbs and food with white flour. If you drop sugar and get your only sugars from fruits, you'll have all you need.
That being said, go take some classes by a naturopath on nutrition and treat your patients as people and not pawns. You'll probably change some lives. You have a lot to learn when it comes to dietary effects on health.
This post was edited on 10/31/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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And you're not understanding the significant changes that occur after weight gain
The smart thing to do would be to never gain the extra weight to begin with.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:14 pm to Landmass
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I don't mind regulation on massive industries to ensure quality but it seems that when you talk of regulation, you talk about it on the individual. You're very backwards
What? I don't understand what you mean here.
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Look, how many people have you helped detox from sugar to cure their chronic illnesses? I say this because I know a few dozen people that changed their lives based on dropping sugar alone. For others it is carbs and food with white flour. If you drop sugar and get your only sugars from.
I try to use a step-wise approach, with carb reduction the ultimate goal, unless they have a strenuous, physical job.
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That being said, go take some classes by a naturopath on nutrition and treat your patients as people and not pawns. You'll probably change some lives.
I know plenty about the biochemical and molecular impacts of food and food processing, as well as a lot of background on how the diets of people from previous eras. The people I encounter aren't pawns, but I see for myself that most will never lose weight because the metabolic factors are titled against them, often heavily. Which is why I say a pattern of disease like obesity can't be solved by individual approaches. We are just beginning to understand the metabolic sequelae, and given the significance of those sequelae, it would be impossible at the population level without significant pharmacological aid.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:15 pm to crazy4lsu
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Which is why I say a pattern of disease like obesity can't be solved by individual approaches.
If someone eats a very strict and healthy diet along with exercise, you don’t believe they’ll be able to lose weight?
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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without significant pharmacological aid.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:30 pm to crazy4lsu
You should be advising them and encouraging them. For most people, losing weight doesn't have to be hard. It can be pretty damn easy for most. Forcing people to lose weight is wrong. Explaining the health risks associated with being overweight need to be talked about, instead of this body positivity crap we have going on now. The last resort should be with medical intervention but a lot of doctors push this as the first or only method. If they don't change the diet and fueling their bodies with garbage, then medical intervention doesn't even matter.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:39 pm to crazy4lsu
The answer to obesity is NOT more medications. You can’t be this ignorant. You make sure thyroid levels are in check, make sure testosterone/estrogen levels are in check, then you fricking stop eating shite food.
Being healthy is a lifestyle. You see these massive 375+ plus people on the Biggest loser drop 30-40 pounds like nothing. They don’t keep it off because as soon as they get home they go back to their previous lifestyle. So this quote “ Those hormones are very resistant to weight loss, and some remain decreased for years after weight loss.” is totally false.
Hell. My mother in law is down 21 pounds in the last 3 months all because she stopped dousing her food in Thousand Island dressing and calorie dense sauces.
I see people go to the checkout counter at the pharmacy to pick up their Phentermine and check out with a few 12 packs of coke. Sure you just gave your patient a drug that will help suppress appetite, but if they don’t make Lifestyle changes you will add on more drugs before results are seen
Being healthy is a lifestyle. You see these massive 375+ plus people on the Biggest loser drop 30-40 pounds like nothing. They don’t keep it off because as soon as they get home they go back to their previous lifestyle. So this quote “ Those hormones are very resistant to weight loss, and some remain decreased for years after weight loss.” is totally false.
Hell. My mother in law is down 21 pounds in the last 3 months all because she stopped dousing her food in Thousand Island dressing and calorie dense sauces.
I see people go to the checkout counter at the pharmacy to pick up their Phentermine and check out with a few 12 packs of coke. Sure you just gave your patient a drug that will help suppress appetite, but if they don’t make Lifestyle changes you will add on more drugs before results are seen
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:41 pm to Landmass
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Forcing people to lose weight is wrong.
Where did I say that anyone is being forced?
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The last resort should be with medical intervention but a lot of doctors push this as the first or only method. If they don't change the diet and fueling their bodies with garbage, then medical intervention doesn't even matter.
Lots of doctors haven't gotten appropriate nutritional training, but I haven't seen any embrace the body positivity stuff. As for explaining the health risks, it is dependent on the patient population, but with pre-diabetics and diabetics in particular, the compliance has been poor.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:41 pm to Landmass
What do y’all think should he done about it?
Most of us are Republicans. How did y’all act when Bloomberg tried to limit soda size? How were Michelle Obama’s efforts met? Any R trying anything to help this. Did anyone care about this before Covid?
We treat eating like shite and getting fat as f*ck as a freedom in this country.
Most of us are Republicans. How did y’all act when Bloomberg tried to limit soda size? How were Michelle Obama’s efforts met? Any R trying anything to help this. Did anyone care about this before Covid?
We treat eating like shite and getting fat as f*ck as a freedom in this country.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:47 pm to DonaldPump
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The answer to obesity is NOT more medications. You can’t be this ignorant.
Read what I wrote closer. I meant that without regulation on food processing, on the population level, we are going to be relying on pharmacological aids primarily.
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So this quote “ Those hormones are very resistant to weight loss, and some remain decreased for years after weight loss.” is totally false.
It is not. The basis of the work done is from a 2014 paper from a journal of endocrinology. Again, your individual testament isn't a dispositive example of the metabolic state of people after weight loss.
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I see people go to the checkout counter at the pharmacy to pick up their Phentermine and check out with a few 12 packs of coke
Well yeah, that's retarded.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:52 pm to OldmanBeasley
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If someone eats a very strict and healthy diet along with exercise, you don’t believe they’ll be able to lose weight?
No, I'm saying the use of an approach which excessively focuses on the individual isn't a strategy that is going to tackle the scale of what this is, which is a metabolic syndrome which has autoimmune characteristics, with polygenic factors, that is effectively a pandemic. While that's a good enough strategy for an individual, across a population of people with a wide variety of ailments, you need a framework that can succeed without individualizing it for every person.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:55 pm to Don Johnson
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What do y’all think should he done about it?
Well considering obesity is more prevalent in low income areas, limiting what can be bought via government assistance would be a great start. If you want to buy coke, cookies, and sugar laden junk, then work for it. Otherwise you have people on food stamps needing the most medical attention and how are they paying for it? Medicaid!!
But we know the government isn’t going to do that.
Insurance companies need to make folks aware that they offer discounts or free memberships to many gym franchises such as Anytime.
We probably need to use real life examples of what being obese leads to. We have folks coming into get their leg amputated because they have T2D and were non compliant on their meds. We need doctors refering patients to nutritionists instead of starting people on High blood pressure meds and cholesterol meds right away. Give them a month or two to try to lose weight before stacking on meds
This post was edited on 10/31/21 at 9:57 pm
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