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re: NYPD officer Daniel Pantaleo won't face federal charges in Eric Garner "chokehold" death

Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:42 am to
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:42 am to
Guess they didn't didn't have the evidence to prove he wasn't using/attempting a seatbelt hold.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:42 am to
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Seems like you want cops picking and choosing which laws to enforce. Nothing can go wrong there


they shouldn't get to use the Nuremberg defense.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:44 am to
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they shouldn't get to use the Nuremberg defense.


Ok, you're on record as wanting police to pick and choose which laws they enforce.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:44 am to


I'm one of the most right wing dudes there is on this site and even have been called racist and sexist in real life because I tell the truth about how some minorities will never succeed until they change this or change that and how women being given the right to vote was a mistake.

And I still don't trust the police. There's a reason why a good sized amount of them are retards with only GED's and high school has beens with no good career options.

I don't believe and support the cops in this story and I never will.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:44 am to
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would be a non-story if the cops weren't enforcing BS laws that just create more opportunities for conflict.


Right?

It's like some people around here have never heard of prosecutorial discretion and deescalation.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:45 am to
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they shouldn't get to use the Nuremberg defense.

and if he doesn't start acting an arse... he walks away with a ticket and no loosies... and more importantly still living

alas... decisions have consequences
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:47 am to
lol, a lot of cops already do.

ETA: the cops aren't the biggest issue. These laws shouldn't be passed to begin with.
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 10:51 am
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:47 am to
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Ok, you're on record as wanting police to pick and choose which laws they enforce.



Of course we do and that's a good thing.

If all of the laws were really enforced, America would be a shitty place to live in.

Here's one example of picking and choosing which laws to enforce.

ObamaCare is the law of the land and the Trump administration, the executive branch that enforces the law, is doing everything they can to undermine it and not enforce it, including refusing to defend it in a court of law.

And I applaud them for doing that.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:51 am to
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Of course we do and that's a good thing.



The frick it is. I want the police to enforce the laws that are in place. Legislators can change laws.

The water gets mighty murky when you don't know the rules you're playing by.

You yourself say you don't trust cops, and you want them to be selective of the laws they enforce? I don't see how you logically can have both of those opinions.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:00 am to
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I want the police to enforce the laws that are in place.


I don't.

Prosecutorial discretion is necessary and appropriate in the right cases.

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The water gets mighty murky when you don't know the rules you're playing by.


That's why we elect politicians to enforce the rules that we want enforced and the rules we don't want enforced.

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You yourself say you don't trust cops,


I do.

A good majority of them are knuckle draggers that had no good career options after high school or just bitter nerds on a power trip.

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and you want them to be selective of the laws they enforce?


Yes.

Law enforcement at every level from local to the feds is selective of the laws they enforce.

For example, they'll see some dude not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign or some other dude going 10 MPH above the limit on the interstate when they're close to the end of their shift and they'll just let it ride and go home.

And to repeat my earlier example, ObamaCare is the law of the land and the Trump administration, the executive branch that enforces the law, is doing everything they can to undermine it and not enforce it, including refusing to defend it in a court of law.

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I don't see how you logically can have both of those opinions.


They're mutually exclusive.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:07 am to
To sum up, you only want laws you agree with enforced.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:10 am to
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To sum up, you only want laws you agree with enforced.


To be fair there would be a lot fewer laws if they were all actively enforced all the time.

At the risk of agreeing with lnchbox, that could be a good thing.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:11 am to
Yep
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:12 am to
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To sum up, you only want laws you agree with enforced.


Mainly laws that agree with the constitution. If it violates the firs, second etc amendment, it shouldn't be a question.
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:14 am to
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To sum up, you only want laws you agree with enforced.



Now you're getting it.

It's one reason why we have elections. We vote for Politicians who will enforce laws we want enforced and vote against politicians who want laws we don't agree with enforced.

This has been happening since the dawn of mankind.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:21 am to
I get it. And you'd be the first to bitch when they selectively enforce a law you don't agree with. Do you really not see the issue here?
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
11572 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:25 am to
I’m all for reform. That criminals reform by not doing crime.

And for deescalation. That these criminal quit escalating the situation by brandishing weapons, refusing lawful arrests often with violence, and assaulting people and officers with vehicles.

On the flip side, douche cops do exist, and I’m happy to prosecute every single bad shooting that comes out.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25522 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:29 am to
Some pretty shady stuff happening with the guy that filmed the arrest too. It looks like officers targeted him for payback.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:31 am to
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And you'd be the first to bitch when they selectively enforce a law you don't agree with.


That's the price for losing an election and what electoral losers have dealt with throughout world history.

That's the risk an election always carries. And why you have to have good candidates that can win.

Might makes right. You either win or you lose.
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:33 am to
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