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Posted on 5/23/20 at 2:58 pm to
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 2:58 pm to
Treating addiction with adderall is rather cutting edge stuff regarding how we look at addiction as a medical condition. I just mentioned it because in trials and limited reports of off label use (this is in psych private practices who see only patients for specifically drug addiction and have very extreme monitoring) it has been shown to be at least somewhat effective. We actively treat opioid addiction with opioids, stimulants are just being tried because it’s honestly a much safer option and has a chance of possibly actually treating an ongoing major diagnosis. Think of the trials and psychs trying this as akin to something like a methadone clinic when it comes to monitoring.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:16 pm to
Also just to say one thing about something you’ve mentioned a few times a the issue of cross-tolerance and cocaine that have not really addressed. Cocaine is such a categorically unique stimulant in pretty much all ways that the body and brain don’t really have the time nor ability to identify it as something that would typically build tolerance in a medicine. The actual pharmacology behind it is rather complicated but cocaine triggers unique certain parts of the brain in ways other stimulants don’t, it crosses through the blood brain barrier so fast it basically destroys it, and then it’s filtered out almost immediately with no staying power. So beyond the flooding of dopamine, cocaine does other things and just moves too fast. It’s a unicorn in the stimulant family that is chock full of fast acting quickly filtered medicines in general.
This post was edited on 5/23/20 at 3:18 pm
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:19 pm to
I think methadone clinics and things like suboxen are awful ideas and just trades one addiction for another at best. At worst they are sold or abused along side other drugs.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:26 pm to
I have mixed opinions regarding this. As I said addiction has largely been laid at the field of psychiatry to essentially solve, so even though I don’t see patients whose major diagnosis is just addiction, I still get them either inherited, from docs currently on vacation, or just as a secondary condition in my new patients. For this reason I have a suboxone number and pharmacies will fill it if I write it. I make every attempt to take ever individual case as it’s on however, and I just cannot find it the proper course typically. My solution is usually taper new patients, if filling in for someone just write it for them and be done with it, or refer to someone like the above mentioned private practices who might be a better fit.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 4:08 pm to
Yea sounds like you do a good job as far as it goes. I think tapering off of it is a good idea and that is easier to do than if they were buying something on the street. And yea addiction is such a difficult and complex problem, sounds like you’re doing the best you can though.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 4:13 pm to
I'd put my foot up a Dr's arse that tried putting my kid on any of those drugs.

Posted by chaso
clinton ms.
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 4:16 pm to
I said the government pays 500 per month per child until 18 for a , and I wasn't saying or judging moms and dads that give it to kids who need it. I'm saying a lot of docs will write scripts because parents say kid is hyperactive. I think psychologist or should help make that decision.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 4:33 pm to
No primary care doctor should ever be allowed to diagnose the most general psychiatric diagnosis. Especially one that’s primarily treated with easily abused and highly diverted medicine. Doc should make referral to someone in psychiatry as they’ll be the ones writing the medicine, psychiatrist should at the very least send child for second opinion for psychologist who specializes in the area.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 5:31 pm to
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just wonder what happened in the last 50 years to make it so noticeable.



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