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re: Next week's manned spaceflight from Cape Kennedy will be historic...

Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:19 am to
Posted by EA6B
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:19 am to
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Some reason I have a bad feeling about this...No test launches and now with live human beings..down vote away. Old days they used chimps. And yes I watched the 60's launches, some live at the Cape....


? The same booster and capsule has been used many times already to deliver supplies to the ISS.
Posted by Wally Sparks
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:22 am to
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The Shuttle orbiters were basically worn out out when we stopped flying them, to continue using them even if the budget was available would have been asking for another disaster. They also never met the original design goals, it was much more expensive to operate,and turn around time between missions was far longer than originally anticipated.


My comment was in reference to the original intent of the shuttles as part of an overall exploration system (that died in the post-Apollo budget cuts of the early 1970s).
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:34 am to
went retro on the logo




wish theyd go retro on the suits too



instead of this

This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 9:42 am
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:38 am to
That’s a cool pic. Imagine the power.........
Posted by MBclass83
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:40 am to
So the space shuttle rode the rocket up and now people are on top of rocket. To me, that's ABOUT the same thing.
Posted by JJJrich
Member since Oct 2010
533 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:10 am to
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So the space shuttle rode the rocket up and now people are on top of rocket. To me, that's ABOUT the same thing.



One is a hell of alot safer than the other.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15226 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:24 am to
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I thought they changed it back to Canaveral?
They did in 1973. The space center is still the Kennedy Space Center.

Fun fact I learned while looking up that question: the area code there is "321": an homage to the countdown.

Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:31 am to
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We wasted 40 years and 14 lives on the shuttle program when we could have been prepping for long term habitual living on the surface of the moon as well as prepping for a manned mission to Mars.

von Braun's plan was to use the shuttle to build and maintain the ISS, which would be a docking station for colonization of the moon and exploration beyond that. The reason for doing it that way is that the primary fuel consumption point is the ascent from earth's surface. Missions that start from the ISS can go much further without having to use so much of the vehicle for escaping the earth's gravity.

The goals changed after von Braun was gone, though. Really, NASA kind of stagnated once the Nazis were gone.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:33 am to
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The goals changed after von Braun was gone, though. Really, NASA kind of stagnated once the Nazis were gone.




von Braun was still at NASA when they started dumbing-down the Shuttle.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15226 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:41 am to
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von Braun was still at NASA when they started dumbing-down the Shuttle.

Not arguing against that, but he left in 72, when they started the program. What was his role in dumbing it down?

ETA: Fun fact: I went to Space Camp in the 6th grade (1986). They had Konrad Dannenberg teach us the basics of rocket propulsion. Kind of neat to get to talk to him, though as an 11 year old I didn't really understand who I was talking to.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 10:51 am
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29177 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:43 am to
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Not arguing against that, but he left in 72, when they started the program. What was his role in dumbing it down?




It wasn't von Braun dumbing it down, but the Nixon administration cutting the budget which forced NASA to adopt the final concept in 1972.
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