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re: New roof warranties
Posted on 8/3/18 at 3:54 pm to RTRinTampa
Posted on 8/3/18 at 3:54 pm to RTRinTampa
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I just had my roof replaced under an insurance claim in Florida. They replaced all flashing underlayment and shingles. Underlayment is hand nailed, the rest with a gun.
By underlayment you must be referring to the sheathing. Nobody in their right mind would use a hammer to drive nails through tin caps.
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Posted on 8/3/18 at 4:13 pm to LSU82BILL
If you buy the Golden Pledge Warranty, GAF will inspect the installation to make sure it was done correctly and require the contractor to rectify any improper installation of components.
Contractor holds workmanship warranty for first two years after GAF signs off on the installation. GAF carries the warranty the rest of the time.
Contractor holds workmanship warranty for first two years after GAF signs off on the installation. GAF carries the warranty the rest of the time.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 4:30 pm to LSU82BILL
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I know that the Florida Building Code is the strictest in the nation but I can't even fathom a roofer not replacing the membrane.
I'm pretty sure that's standard, but I know flashing is not. Most I had quote me said it was only replaced if needed. I really like the idea of starting from scratch.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 4:31 pm to ECobb Saint
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If you buy the Golden Pledge Warranty, GAF will inspect the installation to make sure it was done correctly and require the contractor to rectify any improper installation of components.
Contractor holds workmanship warranty for first two years after GAF signs off on the installation. GAF carries the warranty the rest of the time.
This is all verbatim what I was told. This sounds like a good thing. So what happened to our other poster above with a less than ideal outcome?
Posted on 8/3/18 at 4:48 pm to S1C EM
Sounds like he used a Master Elite certified roofer, but didn't buy the Golden Pledge warranty.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 4:59 pm to Mr Wonderful
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You sound just like a general contractor. In other words, one big dickhead
I’m a dickhead for laying out to you exactly why you would be wasting money?
I’m sorry, you should definitely ask for it to only be done with a hammer and nai! Brilliant!!
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 4:34 am
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:24 pm to S1C EM
Im a GC, mainly do roofs, gutters, and siding. I've done I think 90 so far this year.
Dont use GAF.
I highly suggest Malarkey. A Vista is a fantastic shingle and pretty reasonably. 130 mph wind rating, 10 plus year algae resistant, less asphalt than other shingles and has a polymer in it which makes them hold up to hail better than others on the market. It can bond at 100 degree or 30 degree weather the same as it would at 70.
And Malarkey has a fantastic warranty that is super easy to fill out.
Dont use GAF.
I highly suggest Malarkey. A Vista is a fantastic shingle and pretty reasonably. 130 mph wind rating, 10 plus year algae resistant, less asphalt than other shingles and has a polymer in it which makes them hold up to hail better than others on the market. It can bond at 100 degree or 30 degree weather the same as it would at 70.
And Malarkey has a fantastic warranty that is super easy to fill out.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:32 pm to Legion of Doom
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No nail gun
Serious question-I don’t know much about construction. What’s the advantage of having the nails driven by a hammer as opposed to a nail gun?
My guys have to hand nail, there's only been a few occasions that i've let them use guns.
Hand nailing you're going to put the nails in the right spot every single time. The nails need to be put in on a certain spot on the shingle for the best bond and with hand nailing you're going to get it right everytime instead of a nail gun going so fast you blast them all over the place and dont care to stop to fix it if you nail it too low or too high.
And you're not going to blow completely through or not enough as a gun will. The pressure fluctuates when running guns so unless your checking the pressure regularly, which no one does, you're guns are going to vary on how deep they drive a nail.
Hand nailing is slower, no doubt, but a much better way to do it. I've done 100+ square single jobs all hand nailed.
It's a pretty good selling point for me too. Homeowners love it and it's something they never would have thought about until you explain to them the benefits. That in itself has gotten me plenty of jobs.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:35 pm to iwyLSUiwy
The other two I'm looking at deal with Atlas and Owen's Corning. The Atlas Pinnacle Pristine Architectural shingle is my most likely alternate. Has Scotchguard applied and a lifetime warranty against algae.
Any thoughts on those?
Any thoughts on those?
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:40 pm to SouthernImmigrant
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frick YOU
I’m on residential sites almost daily and can guarantee you that any roofer that I sub is going to laugh his arse off at you if you request this.
He will no doubt take your extra money, but you ain’t gonna see them do shite to your roof.
Every bit of work will be done while you’re gone, with a nail gun.
Try to convince Pedro that he has to use a hammer and nail when he has a nail gun sitting in his truck. Not happening my man
Yea, no. I dont know any other roofers in town that hand nail except my crews, im sure there are, I just havent seen any.
I dont charge any extra for it either.
They can laugh their arse off all they want but if they know anything about roofing they would admit that its a better way of roofing, even if they dont do it. Thats really not even up for debate.
If we do a standard 40 square or so roof, my guys can finish it in a day, the same as a nail gun crew, it just might take a few more hours, which im perfectly fine with.
You dont know crap about what you're talking about, so congratulations on being on residential sites almost daily, whatever that means. I guess you install satellite dishes, stick to what you know.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:42 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Thank you for the information-that was really informative. Where city do you work in?
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:45 pm to LSU82BILL
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By underlayment you must be referring to the sheathing. Nobody in their right mind would use a hammer to drive nails through tin caps.
Have not seen anyone use anything but pre-punched caps in decades.
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:49 pm to S1C EM
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The other two I'm looking at deal with Atlas and Owen's Corning. The Atlas Pinnacle Pristine Architectural shingle is my most likely alternate. Has Scotchguard applied and a lifetime warranty against algae.
Any thoughts on those?
Of the two I definitely prefer Atlas. They make a quality shingle. Especially the Pinnacle Pristine.
Owens Corning is what Lowe's carries and im sure they're ok but I can tell the difference in the two as soon as I walk on the roof. Honestly, I wouldnt install a Owens Corning even if the homeowner requested it.
The GAF you're interested in isnt a bad shingle. The high end GAF is much much better than their standard in stock Home Depot line. I like it alot.
I try not to talk bad about any manufacturer, but whatever you do, dont use Tamco. That is a horrible shingle.
But if you're not dead set, take a look and read up on the Malarkey Legacy series, that is an amazing shingle. But if you read up on it and still like the GAF and Atlas better, you're still going to be getting a nice shingle.
One more sales pitch about the Malarkey lol, and i'm not some Malarkey dealer either. But on their architectural shingles, unlike anybody else, they have larger tabs on the top. Meaning your top layer on the shingle isnt going to be all 3 or 4" 2nd layer, they can have up to a 9", which will hold up better in a storm and the variety has a better eye appeal to me.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:51 pm to Legion of Doom
My office is in Bossier
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:52 pm to S1C EM
Also, disregard my statement about not using GAF, that sounded bad. I missed what series GAF you said you were interested in, sorry.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 6:06 pm to S1C EM
One other thing, whether you're buying the materials or not, get a synthetic felt. Its so much better than the tar paper.
Its a polymer but when you walk on it or touch it you would almost thing it was rubber or plastic. It doesnt rip when you walk on it like tar paper, you cant even really rip it pulling on it with your hands, unlike tar paper that rips when you breath on it. More importantly, its more waterproof than tar.
Its more expensive, but not enough to make a big difference. Well worth it.
Its a polymer but when you walk on it or touch it you would almost thing it was rubber or plastic. It doesnt rip when you walk on it like tar paper, you cant even really rip it pulling on it with your hands, unlike tar paper that rips when you breath on it. More importantly, its more waterproof than tar.
Its more expensive, but not enough to make a big difference. Well worth it.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 6:42 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
All good info! Really appreciate it!
I haven't come across anyone using Malarkey, but I'll do some looking based on your recommendation.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 7:08 pm to S1C EM
O you're more than welcome man. Hope everything goes good with the job.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 7:22 pm to S1C EM
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. I've narrowed my roofers down and will be going with the lifetime architectural shingle (50 year, actually), but am strongly considering paying a little more for the roof from a GAF Master Elite roofer who offers the "Golden Pledge" warranty. Because it covers "workmanship" (read: LEAKS) for 25 years, I feel like it may be my best bet. Most other lifetime shingles don't offer that, just manufacturer defects.
I had a AAA+ rated roofer company explain this to me. You will never be able to prove workmanship errors so any money spent on that is cash in his pocket. Get the best material guarantee and select a good company. If you have a small problem they will likely come and fix it for you because they want your referral for more business and to keep their rating up.
I bid three roofers for my house and all three came in within a few hundred bucks of each other. The difference was one was the AAA rated company by the BBB and one was an F rated company by the BBB. The F rated company had 19 outstanding unresolved complaints pending. Obviously I chose the AAA company and job was done quickly, cleanly, and properly.
One question to ask is if they use nail guns. No quality roofer uses nail guns. Too easy to shoot a nail through the shingle into the attic.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 7:41 pm to S1C EM
The warranty is what’s known as a No Dollar Limit warranty and it has been used on commercial flat roofs for many years with really just recently being offered for residential shingles.
As pointed out above the contractor carries the warranty for the first 2 years then GAF for the next 23. However, if that contractor isn’t available, out of business or you just don’t like the guy GAF will send another Master Select contractor to fix the roof at no charge to the homeowner.
When the roofing contractor is complete the job will be inspected by a GAF inspector (and I’m sure the contractor is required to send pictures as he proceeds on under layment , flashings etc...) and if any punchlist items are required they will be complete before the warranty is issued. The warranty will be issued direct to the owner and you would contact GAF for any issues after that and deal with them.
For an NDL warranty on residential I believe GAF flat fee (Under 50 squares) is $500.00 that your contractor will have to pay before the warranty is issued.
So ask your contractor 1/ that his proposal to you includes the 25year NDL warranty and that the fee is included 2/ that he actually is a Master Select applicator and 3/That it will be inspected and original warranty will be issued to you. After completion hold 25% of his invoice until the warranty is given to you. And tell him this upfront so he will complete the documentation in a timely matter because it takes a couple weeks to process even after inspected. If he’s a good contractor he will have no problem with these terms.
And further-do it. Contrary to what a lot of smart people in this thread have said it is money very well spent and it truly is a homeowners warranty worth the money, which is nominal.
Hand nailing is better by a long shot and regardless of what the DR Horton assistant to the assistant superintendent above says is quite common.
As pointed out above the contractor carries the warranty for the first 2 years then GAF for the next 23. However, if that contractor isn’t available, out of business or you just don’t like the guy GAF will send another Master Select contractor to fix the roof at no charge to the homeowner.
When the roofing contractor is complete the job will be inspected by a GAF inspector (and I’m sure the contractor is required to send pictures as he proceeds on under layment , flashings etc...) and if any punchlist items are required they will be complete before the warranty is issued. The warranty will be issued direct to the owner and you would contact GAF for any issues after that and deal with them.
For an NDL warranty on residential I believe GAF flat fee (Under 50 squares) is $500.00 that your contractor will have to pay before the warranty is issued.
So ask your contractor 1/ that his proposal to you includes the 25year NDL warranty and that the fee is included 2/ that he actually is a Master Select applicator and 3/That it will be inspected and original warranty will be issued to you. After completion hold 25% of his invoice until the warranty is given to you. And tell him this upfront so he will complete the documentation in a timely matter because it takes a couple weeks to process even after inspected. If he’s a good contractor he will have no problem with these terms.
And further-do it. Contrary to what a lot of smart people in this thread have said it is money very well spent and it truly is a homeowners warranty worth the money, which is nominal.
Hand nailing is better by a long shot and regardless of what the DR Horton assistant to the assistant superintendent above says is quite common.
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