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re: nevermind
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:41 pm to theenemy
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:41 pm to theenemy
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Also, crime statistics are skewed due to how they are reported
If a handful of urban areas (Chicago, etc) are removed from the stats the rest of the US has a violent crime rate per capita on par with Sweden IIRC (low).
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:42 pm to weagle99
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FTR, I am against the whole concept of background checks.
Why? just curious. I'm trying to learn both side's argument. I'm totally pro gun, own guns, but wouldn't mind jumping through a couple more hoops if it kept a gun out of the hands of a crazy
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:43 pm to Schmelly
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Man you couldn't be more wrong... he's helping prove THIS point
So it's extreme to want enforcement of current gun laws?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:45 pm to TigerBait1127
your sarcasm meter
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:45 pm to Schmelly
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Why? just curious. I'm trying to learn both side's argument. I'm totally pro gun, own guns, but wouldn't mind jumping through a couple more hoops if it kept a gun out of the hands of a crazy
Wait, didn't you just insult me for saying something similar?
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my badThis post was edited on 8/26/15 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:46 pm to Schmelly
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Why? just curious. I'm trying to learn both side's argument. I'm totally pro gun, own guns, but wouldn't mind jumping through a couple more hoops if it kept a gun out of the hands of a crazy
Because I don't believe we should have to get the government's permission to exercise a Constitutional right.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:46 pm to weagle99
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If a handful of urban areas (Chicago, etc) are removed from the stats the rest of the US has a violent crime rate per capita on par with Sweden IIRC (low).
The area is not what needs to be removed, amirite??
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:49 pm to weagle99
quote:So you think you should just be able to buy, over the counter, no questions asked?
Because I don't believe we should have to get the government's permission to exercise a Constitutional right.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:50 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
Wait, didn't you just insult me for saying something similar?
Edit: my bad
you were getting attacked from all sides. you thought I was throwing punches too, lol
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:50 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Yes, they are. You have to be an idiot not to know that a full gun ban is the end game.
No one's trying to take your guns.
quote:The problem with that is that most gun murders aren't committed by people who have detectable "mental health issues," IMO. It seems that most often it's just some angry dipshit who flies off the handle and shoots someone.
background checks and mental health data
Stupid people don't have discourse or impulse control. They just fly off the handle and shoot someone. Much of that wouldn't be diagnosed by a psychiatrist, which is somewhat of a fraudulent profession to begin with.
Basically, the anti-gun debate is just another way of saying "this is why we can't have nice things," and I refuse to let stupid people be the rationale for eroding my freedoms.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:51 pm to The Baker
ACtually, the words is safer than it's been in 50-100 years
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:51 pm to Crow Pie
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Humans are a messed up species, no doubt about it. It's only getting worse.
Don't lump me in with the crazies
I only like killin my food
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:52 pm to weagle99
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Because I don't believe we should have to get the government's permission to exercise a Constitutional right.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:53 pm to Schmelly
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So you think you should just be able to buy, over the counter, no questions asked?
Yep.
The Background check was not implemented to reduce crime - it was done to establish that citizens needed permission from the government to purchase a firearm. That isn't my opinion, that is the statement made by the Brady group that pushed for the law to be implemented in the first place.
So many have accepted it as a necessary part of life, when in fact it didn't exist in the US until 1998.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:54 pm to blueboy
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The problem with that is that most gun murders aren't committed by people who have detectable "mental health issues," IMO. It seems that most often it's just some angry dipshit who flies off the handle and shoots someone.
this is a good point. Seems that most crimes are committed by two types of people. For lack of a better description, "Criminal criminals" & people who "just crack". The first will get guns no matter what you do, the second will have either already own a gun cause they've been, up to this point, normal or they'll pass any check because they haven't done anything YET.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:55 pm to weagle99
How do you feel about violent convicted felons buying guns?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:56 pm to weagle99
quote:Ok, so how do you stop a felon from going buy a gun whenever he wants?
Yep.
The Background check was not implemented to reduce crime - it was done to establish that citizens needed permission from the government to purchase a firearm. That isn't my opinion, that is the statement made by the Brady group that pushed for the law to be implemented in the first place.
So many have accepted it as a necessary part of life, when in fact it didn't exist in the US until 1998.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:57 pm to Breesus
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How do you feel about violent convicted felons buying guns?
It is against the law for felons to own firearms.
Violent convicted felons who still pose a risk to society should not be allowed back into society.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:57 pm to TigerBait1127
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Some more ad hom attacks.
You really need to learn how to do this.
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Supreme Court
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They aren't "original" ideas at all. The laws are already on the books, but the effectiveness is limited by lack of data availability.
The effectiveness is limited because many have a serious problem with an arbitrary system that subjectively decides who is allowed to exercise their Constitutional rights.
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I'm not even sure how to address this completely loaded question. Common sense says to limit the sale of guns from criminals and the mentally ill.
It's a very pointed question, actually. What is it that you think your solutions would accomplish in this country?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:58 pm to weagle99
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still pose a risk to society
only one way to find this out. let them out and see if they go buy a gun. then you catch them with the background check
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