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re: nevermind
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:06 pm to The Baker
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:06 pm to The Baker
Do aliens exist is the far more interesting question. Most astronomers agree the universe was formed at the Big Bang and one day will perish. It will be long after human extinction, so why would that interest me? Now, there are 100 Billion galaxies in the universe with 100 Billion stars in each galaxy. That is a lot of chances for one other place in the universe to have some life. More advanced? Far less advanced? It's like asking what's a bigger question, what would you do with a million bucks or one day will you die? Not close.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:08 pm to LasVegasTiger
They are just using big words to explain it. Pretty much saying if you have two stillshots in time of a sandwich, one when it was hot and one when it was cold, and you know nobody moved or touched the sandwich, that the cold sandwich exists after the hot sandwich.
However, if the sandwich is in a microwave (open system) you can no longer know this was certainty.
It's just a way to say "hey, this is what time actually is"
However, if the sandwich is in a microwave (open system) you can no longer know this was certainty.
It's just a way to say "hey, this is what time actually is"
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:40 pm to Ross
The way you explain it makes it seem very interesting.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:24 pm to genro
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Intelligent extraterrestrial life is another matter. If you look at Earth, of all the billions of species that have existed, only one has found it advantageous to evolve self-awareness and intelligence. It's simply not an evolutionarily advantageous trait.
This is wrong on so many levels.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:41 pm to ACTIGER2012
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:44 pm to Ross
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Laws of Thermodynamics make heat death an inevitable end of the universe.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:00 pm to Asharad
Glad I could bring some entertainment to your life.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:27 am to Choctaw
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If the universe is constantly expanding...
It's a proven and inarguable fact the universe (or atleast what we can observe of it) is expanding.
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what is it expanding into?
This is the bigger question. Most of what people are arguing in this thread comes down to whether our universe has a finite or infinite boundary.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:29 am to boom roasted
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Entropy is the only quantity in the physical sciences (apart from certain rare interactions in particle physics; see below) that requires a particular direction for time, sometimes called an arrow of time. As one goes "forward" in time, the second law of thermodynamics says, the entropy of an isolated system will increase. Hence, from one perspective, entropy measurement is a way of distinguishing the past from the future. However in thermodynamic systems that are not closed, entropy can decrease with time: many systems, including living systems, reduce local entropy at the expense of an environmental increase, resulting in a net increase in entropy. Examples of such systems and phenomena include the formation of certain crystals, the workings of a refrigerator and living organisms.
This is almost completely plagiarized from Steven Hawking's A Brief History of Time.
Wanna really get your mind blown, start reading about imaginary time and antiparticles. Imaginary time (like imaginary numbers which result from the square root of negative numbers) is absolutely a real thing that can be mathematically proven and in conjunction with antiparticles can result in negative entropy.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:34 am to Ross
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Anyway, entropy pretty much just means there is a certain degree of usable energy in a system. Picture a ball at the top of a hill about to roll down. You know the ball has a certain amount of potential energy sitting at the top of the hill, but as it rolls down the hill much of this energy is converted to kinetic energy. As the ball reaches the bottom of the hill, it will lose this kinetic energy to friction, which causes most of the energy in the ball to be lost to the heating of the ground and air around it. At this point, we can't really use much of the energy that we started with, so we say there isn't much usable energy left. The idea of entropy tells is that this is the tendency of all things in a closed system, to use up the amount of usable energy (sometimes called exergy) in a system until everything is at equilibrium. The mathematics behind entropy allow us to actually find out how much usable energy there is in a system based on how much entropy the system generates.
Eh, not sure I agree with that description of entropy. Entropy is easiest to identify as a definition of the disorder in a system. As you mentioned, our system always moves towards a state of increased disorder.
Think of it as a glass cup on a table. Some would argue that if you drop this glass it will fall and shatter because of gravity. Others would argue (if you really want to get out there) that this is simply a result of forward entropy controlling our system and if the time arrow was in reverse then shattered glasses would be recombining and jumping up on counters everywhere.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:00 am to FootballNostradamus
I've only ever utilized entropy as a quantification of the irreversibilities present in a system, which is useful for finding how much usable energy is lost by running a complete cycle of whatever it is you are doing.
You could say it is a measurement of order, I just wanted to explain it in terms if useful energy because that's one of entropies most useful characteristics in terms of the practical world. If you know the entropy generated in a process you can easily find how much usable energy was expended, or how much closer your system is to complete equilibrium if it is isolated.
You could say it is a measurement of order, I just wanted to explain it in terms if useful energy because that's one of entropies most useful characteristics in terms of the practical world. If you know the entropy generated in a process you can easily find how much usable energy was expended, or how much closer your system is to complete equilibrium if it is isolated.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:13 am to FootballNostradamus
This is exactly right as far as expansion of the universe!
1. Finite v Infinite
2. Why is it expanding in the first place bc that is opposite of our logic as we would figure it. Neil Tyson said basically to put it where we can understand: what we know about gravity we would expect the Big Bang to push the universe like u throwing a ball into the air. It would peak then come down. Our universe does not seem to have that trajectory.
3. What does this all mean for the multiverse?
1. Finite v Infinite
2. Why is it expanding in the first place bc that is opposite of our logic as we would figure it. Neil Tyson said basically to put it where we can understand: what we know about gravity we would expect the Big Bang to push the universe like u throwing a ball into the air. It would peak then come down. Our universe does not seem to have that trajectory.
3. What does this all mean for the multiverse?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:48 am to Ross
Getting in this one late.
This is correct. Matter can be transformed into energy, which we know how to do. Energy can be transformed into matter, which we'll get a handle on with findings concerning the Higgs Boson.
As long as there is matter, there is potential for energy. And vise versa.
The universe will always have some form of energy. Despite everything 'moving away from each other' there are still collisions on a regular basis. Will it get to a point when the energy/matter is so distant, that it is rendered ineffective? Maybe.
Until we get a better handle on dark matter and dark energy, we can't say with any certainty what the death of the universe will look like.
As for aliens...yep, they exist. The real question is, will we ever discover a way to travel long distances in space (or find shortcuts) that allow us to interact with them.
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Not quite. I'm sure you've heard "energy cannot be created or destroyed", the First Law of Thermodynamics. We know energy can change into a variety of different forms (and we know cool facts like matter is simply a form of energy, and can be transformed between a form of energy with mass or without mass, and we know how much of this energy from that famous equation E = mc^2)
This is correct. Matter can be transformed into energy, which we know how to do. Energy can be transformed into matter, which we'll get a handle on with findings concerning the Higgs Boson.
As long as there is matter, there is potential for energy. And vise versa.
The universe will always have some form of energy. Despite everything 'moving away from each other' there are still collisions on a regular basis. Will it get to a point when the energy/matter is so distant, that it is rendered ineffective? Maybe.
Until we get a better handle on dark matter and dark energy, we can't say with any certainty what the death of the universe will look like.
As for aliens...yep, they exist. The real question is, will we ever discover a way to travel long distances in space (or find shortcuts) that allow us to interact with them.
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