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Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:14 pm to Loveland Tiger
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The teacher could have sent the same message by deducting 3 points, or 5 points.
Good point, we should just punish rapists and murderers with community service. Sends the same message
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:17 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:I guess if this is a one time issue; however, by weighting spelling that much--and not allowing them to proofread--the teacher will be disproportionately penalizing students with basic reading deficits and/or phonological processing issues. There are many students with these issues, who can use strategies and resources (e.g., dictionary) to compensate for their difficulties, and still create quality written work. The teacher here not only punishing them, he's minimizing higher-order aspects of writing.
If the teacher is worth their salt, they´ve simply put these kids on notice that it´s the end of an era (elementary school), and they´d better start paying attention.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:22 pm to Grim
Exactly. The teacher is sending a clear message that spelling is as critical as actual content. Communication is everything in today's world, especially with the amount of electronic communication utilized. It doesn't matter that he knew how to spell it, he didn't proofread to check for accuracy.
And spell check isn't the end all be all.
And spell check isn't the end all be all.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:22 pm to Grim
quote:Are you trying to compare less severe consequences of misspelling a word to less sever consequences of society's most abhorrent crimes?
Good point, we should just punish rapists and murderers with community service. Sends the same message
You actually did a good job proving the point though. You spelled everything correctly, but your analogy was so stupid the quality of your writing (communication) was poor.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:24 pm to buckeye_vol
How did the teacher not allow them to proofread? I could be off here, but shouldn't you proofread before turning in your work?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:24 pm to buckeye_vol
Some spelling errors are at least as bad as murder IMO
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:25 pm to DCtiger1
quote:But it's generally not though. We can correct spelling errors--and we have technology to do that--but if a person can't communicate their ideas, then the problems are much deeper and harder to correct.
The teacher is sending a clear message that spelling is as critical as actual content.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:27 pm to DCtiger1
quote:I think the OP later claimed that the teacher did not allow time for proofreading.
How did the teacher not allow them to proofread? I could be off here, but shouldn't you proofread before turning in your work?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:27 pm to buckeye_vol
Don't confuse them with logic when they're on a tough love kick
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:28 pm to Grim
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Some spelling errors are at least as bad as murder IMO
Agreed.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:28 pm to buckeye_vol
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I guess if this is a one time issue
If this is a good teacher, I´d think this was their intention.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:31 pm to buckeye_vol
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But it's generally not though.
So as long as the content is okay we should disregard spelling?
If one of my analysts presents a report of their findings and it is full of spelling errors, how confident can I be that their analysis is accurate? Spelling errors, especially careless ones, can be perceived as laziness or an inability to effectively recognize mistakes.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:34 pm to DCtiger1
quote:No. I'm not saying to disregard it, especially when there is ample opportunity to edit. Taking off 10 points for a spelling error--without the time to proofread and edit errors--is putting a disproportionate and unnecessary emphasis on spelling.
So as long as the content is okay we should disregard spelling?
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:41 pm to buckeye_vol
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Taking off 10 points for a spelling error--without the time to proofread and edit errors--is putting a disproportionate and unnecessary emphasis on spelling.
Or could the teacher possibly be sending a message that accuracy in all aspects is critical. If spelling errors are only 2-3 points off, would the student care as much about ensuring that it's all correct?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:45 pm to DCtiger1
quote:If spelling was only an effort based skill, I may be more inclined to agree. Research indicates that much of it is related on cognitive processing, specially phonological processing. Some people will never be good spellers, but can compensate by using resources and editing--and never know that they have trouble. Why penalize those students too.
Or could the teacher possibly be sending a message that accuracy in all aspects is critical. If spelling errors are only 2-3 points off, would the student care as much about ensuring that it's all correct?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:50 pm to buckeye_vol
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Why penalize those students too.
Som people aren't smart enough to be doctors, but why shouldn't they get to go to med school too?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:51 pm to buckeye_vol
Content is not purely an effort based skill. Some students, no matter what teaching you provide, will never be able to communicate their thoughts effectively, whether it be verbal or written. Why penalize those students?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:55 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:But spelling only marginally loads on intelligence so your comparison is pointless.
Som people aren't smart enough to be doctors, but why shouldn't they get to go to med school too?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 12:57 pm to buckeye_vol
Your question was just as pointless. Some people are smarter than others. shite happens. They still have to be graded just like anyone else.
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